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For those using the CLBC

Postby slowshooter » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:50 pm

Help! Does this wad pattern better large shot or small? I just found a bag of them in the shed and thought I would make this load:

Federal Gold Medal - 2 3/4 inch, Federal 209A, Blue Dot 32.0 gr. with 7/8th oz of #5

Guessing it will run about a little higher than 1500 and run under 10K in pressure easily. Since it's a pretty small shot I was going to slit the wad into 4 petals and down to the last three rings.

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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby Rob MacK » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:00 pm

I tried them with 1s and 4756. They were ok. You could see the areas where the wad petals were in the pattern. Perhaps mica would have fixed that but I never tried. Shortly after that I went to 1oz loads and never went back to the 7/8oz loads. So I have not used them lately. I cant find any loads with steel powder for them. Have you seen any?

I used 4 slits in the wad all the way to the base.

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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby 3200 man » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:02 pm

Shoot that out of a CYL choke and you'll have a Damn Good .......15 yd load :yes:

Go up 2 sizes in shot and a LM choke and you can kill Mallards at 45 plus ...... :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby jehler » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:05 pm

I haven't been able to get anything right with the clbc short of a few lead loads
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby d_money » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:09 pm

It's not much different than the mg42 wad Idk if u want to sub it but I have a few great loads with the mg42 wad.
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby slowshooter » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:21 pm

Rob MacK wrote:I tried them with 1s and 4756. They were ok. You could see the areas where the wad petals were in the pattern. Perhaps mica would have fixed that but I never tried. Shortly after that I went to 1oz loads and never went back to the 7/8oz loads. So I have not used them lately. I cant find any loads with steel powder for them. Have you seen any?

I used 4 slits in the wad all the way to the base.

Rob


I've searched high and low for steel information on this wad and have come up with diddly. I've got a few pounds left of Steel was hoping to use it up. Admittedly perplexed by the lack of info on this wad. I suspect that folks have found better results with the Precision wads as they seem to have a quite a few steel recipes. Sometimes I think that Ballistic Products is their own worst enemy - who would squat on information about their own products to the degree that folks don't bother with them? That's my 5 second analysis. :lol3:
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby baltz526 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:19 pm

BP Has this: Cheddite 12ga 2 3/4", Cheddite209, 29gr 800x,clbc, 7/8oz steel,1500fps, 10,100psi. Same load listed in Fiocchi 7mm base wad hull with 616 primer. 10,000psi 1500fps
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby slowshooter » Fri Mar 14, 2014 5:35 am

Thanks Baltz! That Fiocchi version looks doable over here.
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby steelshotshooter » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:24 am

We have been using the CLBC for out T steel loads as well as #1 steel and we like them a lot...

We load the CLBC in 2 3/4" Gold Medal hulls using Blue Dot, Herco and 4756, with all 7/8 oz. loads running over 1,600 fps.. We have one 1 oz. load at over 1,500 fps...

We slit all wads with 2 full length petals. Depending on choke, we can run 80% patterns at 60 yds. for pass shooting or 60% patterns at 40 yds. for in your face over the decoy shots...

With pressure testing that we have done with these wads, the spike or peak pressures with these wads are considerable less than that "solid" wads that do not have a cushioned crush section like what the CLBC wads do...

We also coat all wads with motor mica (wad slick from BPI) and buffer all T steel loads....
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby Garage » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:37 am

I had some trouble getting them to pattern well. If you have the same trouble, try cutting the wads in a weird way. Begin at the base of the wad and cut a "rectangle", going up the wad about 1/2 way, then about a half inch across, and back down......like a 3 sided rectangle. Cut two of these petals, one on each side of the wad. kind of like a flitecontrol wad but without the rear cuts...........
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby Rob MacK » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:46 pm

slowshooter wrote:
Rob MacK wrote:I tried them with 1s and 4756. They were ok. You could see the areas where the wad petals were in the pattern. Perhaps mica would have fixed that but I never tried. Shortly after that I went to 1oz loads and never went back to the 7/8oz loads. So I have not used them lately. I cant find any loads with steel powder for them. Have you seen any?

I used 4 slits in the wad all the way to the base.

Rob


I've searched high and low for steel information on this wad and have come up with diddly. I've got a few pounds left of Steel was hoping to use it up. Admittedly perplexed by the lack of info on this wad. I suspect that folks have found better results with the Precision wads as they seem to have a quite a few steel recipes. Sometimes I think that Ballistic Products is their own worst enemy - who would squat on information about their own products to the degree that folks don't bother with them? That's my 5 second analysis. :lol3:


I found a load with STEEL powder today for CLBC in advanrages 5th edition. It runs 1720 ish . PM me if you are interested.

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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby steelshotshooter » Sun Mar 16, 2014 6:16 pm

The load that BPI has listed is as follows -

HULL: 12 gauge - Federal Gold Medal - 2 3/4"

PRIMER: Federal 209A

POWDER: STEEL / 44.0 grains

WAD: CLBC + one 1/8" 20 ga. wool felt

SHOT: 7/8 oz. steel - listed with number 4 steel shot and 12 ga. overshot card

BUFFER: 12 grains

VELOCITY: 1,725 fps.

PRESSURE: 10,500 psi.

The PROBLEM with this load is that everything does NOT fit!

The wad needs to be trimmed back a minimum of .060 for a proper crimp and to keep the load from popping back open...

You would also need to eliminate the wool felt in the bottom of the shotcup...

Also, if you load a pellet size larger than number 4 steel, the shot column will sit too high...

With the Hastings 30" Wadlock barrels, there are several loads listed with the CLBC wads and Federal Gold Medal hulls, as well as Cheddite hulls that run over 1,600 fps. with 10-14 grains less powder and the loads fit like they are suppose to, and the wads require no trimming. A couple of loads will clock out at a very consistent 1,680 fps. with a lot less powder....
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby slowshooter » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:28 am

Thanks Blokes! Lots of good information here. I'll put some loads together in the next few weeks then hit the range with some paper.

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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby 3200 man » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:21 am

S S S'er

So , what is your favorite powder choice for this load ? :huh:
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby steelshotshooter » Mon Mar 17, 2014 8:13 am

In the Federal Gold Medal hull it's Blue Dot and in the Cheddite/Multi Hull, it's HERCO....
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Re: For those using the CLBC

Postby 3200 man » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:09 pm

Got Both , Thanks
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