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Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby retired » Sat Mar 15, 2014 4:42 pm

I have been looking through my reloading stuff and see that I have a lot of #1 shot. So can someone tell me what load # it is in the RSI book. I would like to try the load this year for ducks & geese.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby 10gaOkie » Sat Mar 15, 2014 11:28 pm

The factory Kent load you speak of is a really good one. There is no known listed recipe anywhere that duplicates it. That I know of that is. However, I built my own load from it, a wildcat load. It is a much better patterning load than the factory load is. I have pattern pics that I can email if you want. I got 125/129 patterns with this load at 45 yards. The factory load gave me 92/129 at the same distance. Only thing is, my load is a rto crimp load. Not a folded crimp version.
The Kent load uses a Cheddite hull, a Cheddite primer and a B&P wad. My load uses the same. This is the key.

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby BT Justice » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:30 am

If your referring to the 1 1/4 oz 1425 fps Kent load I'm sure there are plenty of loads that will come close to it.
Most of the listed RSI 1 1/4 oz loads are not getting the listed velocities, they are quite a bit slower.
Depending on what hulls you want to use it should not be that hard to come up with something that patterns well at 1425 fps, RSI 131 using the Cheddite hulls works very well with #1's, it is however a 1 3/16 oz load.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby retired » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:01 am

BT justice. What wad are you using in that load ? I have a few SAm1 wads . I shoot 10ga Okie 1 1/8 load a lot. But Just figured I would try a 3" load and see what I could do. Retired
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby baltz526 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 12:29 pm

Here is the results of disassemble of a Kent 3" 12ga 1 1/4oz Fast steel shell. "NOT LOAD DATA" Cheddite type hull/primer, 35.5gr of a STEEL like powder, B&P TUWSBL35 wad 1.850" oal, 74 BBB 7.15gr ea on average, 529.1gr total.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Yuchi1 » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:16 pm

RSI #75 :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Jim Atlas » Sun Mar 16, 2014 1:46 pm

That would be rsi #130 with a b&p shotcup.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby BT Justice » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:10 pm

retired wrote:BT justice. What wad are you using in that load ? I have a few SAm1 wads . I shoot 10ga Okie 1 1/8 load a lot. But Just figured I would try a 3" load and see what I could do. Retired

Use the load as listed with the 3" RSI wad and Cheddite primer, I was getting around 1570 fps with it as I recall.
RSI 75 would work very well also if you want a 1 3/16 oz load, depends on preference as I know a lot of guys like the 1 1/4 oz loads better.
Keep in mind as I stated a lot of the RSI 1 1/4 oz loads don't give listed velocities.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby 10gaOkie » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:22 pm

The handload I spoke of above with the rto crimp is one that I have tested and shot quite a bit. As per request, I also came up with a folded crimp version of the same load by adjusting the powder charge. I have never hunted with this folded crimp version and only shot a few patterns with it. That load is with a Ched hull and primer, 35gr Asteel and a B&P35 wad with 1 1/4oz of #1s with folded crimp. It offers better patterns than the factory Kent load version. Try it, I think it will make you happy.

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby retired » Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:36 pm

Thanks Chris.
I will order some 3" Ched hulls and try that load out.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby flyndutchman » Sun Mar 16, 2014 10:26 pm

BPI's load with Cheddite hulls, 34gr Steel, LBC 50 wad, 1 1/4 oz shot. 1450 -1480 over my chronograph.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Quacker-Wacker » Thu May 08, 2014 12:22 pm

10gaOkie wrote:The factory Kent load you speak of is a really good one. There is no known listed recipe anywhere that duplicates it. That I know of that is. However, I built my own load from it, a wildcat load. It is a much better patterning load than the factory load is. I have pattern pics that I can email if you want. I got 125/129 patterns with this load at 45 yards. The factory load gave me 92/129 at the same distance. Only thing is, my load is a rto crimp load. Not a folded crimp version.
The Kent load uses a Cheddite hull, a Cheddite primer and a B&P wad. My load uses the same. This is the key.

Chris

Chris' do you know what kind of velocity are you getting out of the folded crimp version of this load? I want to try this load with Bs and #1s for open water late season ducks and geese. Want to see if it performs better than RSI #74.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby grnhd » Thu May 08, 2014 1:58 pm

Retired...are you set on using RSI components? I've had really good luck with MM/TPS wads in a 3" Rem hull with that shot weight. Never cared for it with 1's though, for me in my guns the pattern density isn't good enough for the pellet size, meaning at the range that a 1 would be a good choice there wasn't enough pattern density. JMO though.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu May 08, 2014 4:32 pm

The rto version is 1475, I suspect the folded version is about the same, I have never chronoed it. I have never hunted with the folded crimp version. The rto version is a deadly load, patterns slightly more uniform too. It out performs the Kent factory load by quite a bit as for pattern percentage at 45 yards.

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Theircommited10 » Thu May 08, 2014 5:39 pm

#1 patterns ..

If be curious to see some of your patterns . I've been thinking about giving 1s a more serious run this year . Well see .
Here is what I have gotten with just one load and choke . Will experiment some more .. Thanks -Gary

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby 10gaOkie » Thu May 08, 2014 6:31 pm

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I can email you some of my patterns. tengaokie@aol.com

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby baltz526 » Thu May 08, 2014 6:40 pm

This is the 3" Remington MM1275 version
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby goosepit2007 » Thu May 08, 2014 7:58 pm

Quacker-Wacker wrote:
10gaOkie wrote:The factory Kent load you speak of is a really good one. There is no known listed recipe anywhere that duplicates it. That I know of that is. However, I built my own load from it, a wildcat load. It is a much better patterning load than the factory load is. I have pattern pics that I can email if you want. I got 125/129 patterns with this load at 45 yards. The factory load gave me 92/129 at the same distance. Only thing is, my load is a rto crimp load. Not a folded crimp version.
The Kent load uses a Cheddite hull, a Cheddite primer and a B&P wad. My load uses the same. This is the key.

Chris

Chris' do you know what kind of velocity are you getting out of the folded crimp version of this load? I want to try this load with Bs and #1s for open water late season ducks and geese. Want to see if it performs better than RSI #74.


rsi 130 with wad swap to bnp 35 wad i get 1475 fps average fps using 35 asteel powder with 1-1/4oz of steel shot. with patterns averaging right around 93 percent with all my shotguns skinny to over bored 12 gauges.

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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Loose Wire » Fri May 09, 2014 12:50 am

goosepit2007 wrote:rsi 130 with wad swap to bnp 35 wad i get 1475 fps average fps using 35 asteel powder with 1-1/4oz of steel shot. with patterns averaging right around 93 percent with all my shotguns skinny to over bored 12 gauges. goose


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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby cannon » Fri May 09, 2014 6:20 am

Theircommited10 wrote:#1 patterns ..

If be curious to see some of your patterns . I've been thinking about giving 1s a more serious run this year . Well see .
Here is what I have gotten with just one load and choke . Will experiment some more .. Thanks -Gary


75% of the loads I use during the regular season employ #1's. IMHO, they're hard to beat in anything between a 1 1/8 oz and a 1 3/8 oz load.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby 3200 man » Fri May 09, 2014 7:19 am

And , that's a fact , Cannon ! :clapping:
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Quacker-Wacker » Fri May 09, 2014 4:52 pm

goosepit2007 wrote:
Quacker-Wacker wrote:
10gaOkie wrote:The factory Kent load you speak of is a really good one. There is no known listed recipe anywhere that duplicates it. That I know of that is. However, I built my own load from it, a wildcat load. It is a much better patterning load than the factory load is. I have pattern pics that I can email if you want. I got 125/129 patterns with this load at 45 yards. The factory load gave me 92/129 at the same distance. Only thing is, my load is a rto crimp load. Not a folded crimp version.
The Kent load uses a Cheddite hull, a Cheddite primer and a B&P wad. My load uses the same. This is the key.

Chris

Chris' do you know what kind of velocity are you getting out of the folded crimp version of this load? I want to try this load with Bs and #1s for open water late season ducks and geese. Want to see if it performs better than RSI #74.


rsi 130 with wad swap to bnp 35 wad i get 1475 fps average fps using 35 asteel powder with 1-1/4oz of steel shot. with patterns averaging right around 93 percent with all my shotguns skinny to over bored 12 gauges.

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My RSI manual is old and only goes up to #121. What hull and primer do you use in RSI #130?
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby Jim Atlas » Fri May 09, 2014 5:28 pm

Ched hull, win 209.
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby grnhd » Fri May 09, 2014 5:45 pm

The patterns posted kinda supports my personal opinion that a 1 1/4 load of 1's isn't really a great duck load. The pattern that baltz posted is a duck grinder at 40 yards but heck you can kill ducks at 40 with 3's with better pattern density. The 50 yard pattern posted doesn't have enough pattern density for ducks, again my opinion. But Cannon shoots more ducks than I do so what the heck do I know :lol3: :bow:
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Re: Kent 3" 1 1/4 #1

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri May 09, 2014 7:43 pm

Quacker-Wacker wrote:
goosepit2007 wrote:
Quacker-Wacker wrote:
10gaOkie wrote:The factory Kent load you speak of is a really good one. There is no known listed recipe anywhere that duplicates it. That I know of that is. However, I built my own load from it, a wildcat load. It is a much better patterning load than the factory load is. I have pattern pics that I can email if you want. I got 125/129 patterns with this load at 45 yards. The factory load gave me 92/129 at the same distance. Only thing is, my load is a rto crimp load. Not a folded crimp version.
The Kent load uses a Cheddite hull, a Cheddite primer and a B&P wad. My load uses the same. This is the key.

Chris

Chris' do you know what kind of velocity are you getting out of the folded crimp version of this load? I want to try this load with Bs and #1s for open water late season ducks and geese. Want to see if it performs better than RSI #74.


rsi 130 with wad swap to bnp 35 wad i get 1475 fps average fps using 35 asteel powder with 1-1/4oz of steel shot. with patterns averaging right around 93 percent with all my shotguns skinny to over bored 12 gauges.

goose


My RSI manual is old and only goes up to #121. What hull and primer do you use in RSI #130?



rsi number 70 with activ hull is the same load and wash with cheddite hull's...

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