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1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby Leupold87 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 9:38 am

Last year was my first year to reload steel shells for duck and goose hunting. I managed to come up with some awesome 1oz and 1 1/8 oz loads. The main reason i started loading was because my dad wanted to start duck hunting with me and he was DEAD set on using his 1967 Light 12 auto 5. So 2 3/4 in shells is all he could shoot. All i have ever shot until last year was federal blue box 3in 1 1/4 oz of # 3s for ducks and #1s for geese. So the Quest for a good steel load in a 2 3/4 in hull began, along with a new hastings wad lock barrel for my dads auto 5. after alot of trial and error on the pattern board i came up with 2 Great loads 1oz #3 at 1500 fps and 1 1/8 at 1450fps. they did so well its all i shot last year for ducks and geese both. my dad shoots a modified choke for everything and i shoot a kicks full for timber and xfull for everything else. I like tight pattens, you miss completely or kill-em dead. But we needed a little more shell for effectively killing geese at 40-50 yards so i wanted to come up with a load we could both shot. it took some time and some research because no where could i find a 1 1/4 oz load for a 2 3/4 in hull. and i have 2 steel loading manuals. so against my better judgment i decided to make my own.

This is the load i came up with

Hull Federal (fiber base) high brass and top flight
powder 24.5 gr Longshot
primer NobelSport Primers 209 Shotshell
wad TPS 12ga 2-3/4" preslit wad for non-toxic shot
Shot 1 1/4oz of #1s and #3s
Actual cronoed speed 3 shot average 1341fps out of my New Browning A5

Its a Tight fit but it will make good crimps and throws exultant patterns at 40 yards
i have no idea for the pressure but my hulls look good after the shot. the brass isnt swelling and the primers are not flatting out. I know this isnt a 100% safe assumption but i reload my own slugs and i know what what thos hulls look like after being fired.
I would love to hear of anyone else that has a good 1 1/4 load for a 2 3/4 in shell that i could try.

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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby baltz526 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:01 am

The 2 hulls you should look for are the Federal .090 and remingtons. They have the largest volume for 12ga 2 3/4". I would be very hesitant to use the longshot. And would look at Bluedot and Steel in the larger hulls. Then pressure test. Until then The 1 1/8oz loads do it all very well out of the 12ga 2 3/4"
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby Leupold87 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:39 am

The reason i choose thos 2 hulls is because i can get my hands on as many as i want for free....if i had my choice o would use federal gold metal and steel shot...bit i would have to buy thos hulls . As it stands i only have about $7.50 on a box of shells quality shells at that

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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby baltz526 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:00 pm

Then you need to start roll crimping your loads.
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby r-n-tms » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:09 pm

I would near about bet that load is over psi


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1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby r-n-tms » Fri Mar 21, 2014 1:13 pm

From Bpi cheddite hull and cheddite primer 24 grains of long shot lbc43 wad and 1 1/8 of shot is 11000 psi @1330 I know it is completely differnt hull primer and wad but long shot is the wrong powder to be messing without psi testing the load.


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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby d_money » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:40 pm

I would bet it's not far over. The fiber base wad and tps wad will drop pressure. I would go with 24gr strait not 24.5. I wouldn't shoot it in a 2 3/4" gun until tested but wouldn't be scared to touch one off in a 3 1/2" gun.
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby mudpack » Fri Mar 21, 2014 4:28 pm

If you are looking for commercial 2 3/4" loads in the future, Remington puts out some great 1 1/4oz steel loads in that length hull. They are my favorite duck load, even though I can't get them any more with my shot size of choice.
Good work on the reloads with that payload weight. 1 1/4oz steel in a 2 3/4" hull is waterfowling's best-kept secret. :thumbsup:
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby Leupold87 » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:10 pm

mudpack wrote:If you are looking for commercial 2 3/4" loads in the future, Remington puts out some great 1 1/4oz steel loads in that length hull. They are my favorite duck load, even though I can't get them any more with my shot size of choice.
Good work on the reloads with that payload weight. 1 1/4oz steel in a 2 3/4" hull is waterfowling's best-kept secret. :thumbsup:




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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby eastcoastsoxfan » Fri Mar 21, 2014 5:14 pm

Heres one from PR Manual

2-3/4" Fed plastic basewad(not the GM)
fed 209a
29.5 gr steel
tuprw12
1-1/4 steel shot
1312for @ 11,000

I tried it in an Activ Hull with a Ched209 and a Sam wad, got 1275fps ave
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Ched209
PT65
520 grains
29.5 grains A Steel
1310fps ave
plan on loading this up with BBs for geese over decoys
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby cannon » Fri Mar 21, 2014 6:48 pm

Remington makes some hulls that'll handle a true 546 grain load with 30 gr. of steel powder. Can't remember what color the base wad was, though. They made good loads. I remember being fond of em when I used em.

Mudpack, you can get 1 1/4 oz 2.75" Kent's in 1's & 2's, but the ones I checked were more like 1 3/16 oz, rather than 1 1/4. I think they weighed in at roughly 520 gr. payload.
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby Leupold87 » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:20 am

I have two questions
What is considered over pressured because as I look at some 3 1/2" steel loads in my book with 37 gr of longshot pushing 1 1/2oz of bbs at 1500 fps and has 13400 psi....

And where can I send some shells to get them pressure tested or can I do it myself, because they really pattern great and 1340 fps is great speed for 2 3/4 in shells


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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby d_money » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:48 am

Pressure has a lot to do with hull length and also 3 1/2" guns are proofed and also have higher operating pressures than 3" or 2 3/4" guns. U could prolly run a similar load in a 3" hull and be under pressure but trying to cram all that stuff plus the boom inside a 2 3/4" hull makes more pressure if that makes sense. There are a few people across the country that pressure test loads usually they will disassemble one to ensure what is in it. Then pressure test 3 others and give u the stats on them and also the 3 shot average for them. If u do send them out let us know I am very interested in this load.
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby mudpack » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:34 am

cannon wrote:Mudpack, you can get 1 1/4 oz 2.75" Kent's in 1's & 2's, but the ones I checked were more like 1 3/16 oz, rather than 1 1/4. I think they weighed in at roughly 520 gr. payload.


Thanks for the tip, cannon, but my favorite shot size is #3. I shot the last of my Remington 2 3/4" 1 1/4oz #3's up this last season.

Looks like Drylock is the only loading available. :sad:
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby cannon » Sat Mar 22, 2014 12:45 pm

mudpack wrote:
cannon wrote:Mudpack, you can get 1 1/4 oz 2.75" Kent's in 1's & 2's, but the ones I checked were more like 1 3/16 oz, rather than 1 1/4. I think they weighed in at roughly 520 gr. payload.


Thanks for the tip, cannon, but my favorite shot size is #3. I shot the last of my Remington 2 3/4" 1 1/4oz #3's up this last season.

Looks like Drylock is the only loading available. :sad:


Visit the kent website. They offer em in 2, 3, 4, & 6.
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Re: 1 1/4oz in a 2 3/4 in hull!

Postby Frank Lopez » Sat Mar 22, 2014 1:20 pm

Leupold87 wrote:I have two questions
What is considered over pressured because as I look at some 3 1/2" steel loads in my book with 37 gr of longshot pushing 1 1/2oz of bbs at 1500 fps and has 13400 psi....

And where can I send some shells to get them pressure tested or can I do it myself, because they really pattern great and 1340 fps is great speed for 2 3/4 in shells


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Oh boy! :rolleyes:

If you are seriously asking that question, I suggest that you not shoot those loads until you have them tested. The MAP (Maximum Average Pressure) for all 12ga shells, EXCEPT the 12ga 3 1/2 inch is 11,500 psi. For the 3 1/2 inch 12ga the MAP is 14,000psi. For a 20ga, all lengths, MAP is 12,000psi, for 28 it is 12,500psi.

MAP is the Maximum Average Pressure for any SAAMI approved ammunition as measured by piezoelectric transducer 1 inch from the face of the breech. These are AVERAGES, which means that for any given lot, there will be shells that generate more pressure and shells that generate less. SAAMI specifies that your gun is proofed at 170% of the MAP, so for a 3 inch 12ga gun, the proof pressure is 19,550 psi. The guns are subject to special proof loads and then measured and inspected to assure that there is no deformation or yield in the metal work.

So, what does all this mean? For the most part, your gun isn't going to blow up from firing a single load of 12,500psi. Probably not even from a few firings. But, firearms, like pressure vessels, are designed for repeated loadings. Repeated loadings within the design criteria will not present any problems. Repeated loadings above the design loads could lead to a catastrophic failure.

Reloading is not simply a matter of seeing which components will fit into a particular hull. Used to be pretty much that way with black powder, but that was well over 100 years ago. Stick with published recipes until you at least get some more experience with load development. Your fingers, face and eyes will thank you.

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