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AA gray hull

Postby Jon Bergren » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:05 am

This hull has less volume than the red ones. I tried them in RSI 107 this morning and they would not work collapsing the hull when I crimped. Ned S
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Wed Apr 16, 2014 10:48 am

Yep , there is a difference between Compression formed and the HS Winchester hulls But , they are useful !
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Force Fetch » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:41 am

They make a really nice target and small game load with 16 gr Red Dot Blue Windjammer wad and 1 1/8 oz 7 1/2's. You can substitute White AA wads but you will have slightly higher pressure. I have been shooting them for years.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby goosepit2007 » Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:54 am

3200 man wrote:Yep , there is a difference between Compression formed and the HS Winchester hulls But , they are useful !



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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Jon Bergren » Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:19 pm

The AA gray hull is a compression formed hull but experimentation shows that it isn't as strong as the red hull and the plastic buckles. I even removed 14 pellets and it still buckled. The volume is the same using the salt test. Ned S
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby BT Justice » Thu Apr 17, 2014 2:53 am

The Super Handicap (grey) hulls were always a hit and miss proposition. They were supposed to be the same as the other compression formed hulls but some runs seemed to be paper thin and of lesser quality than the red AA hulls.
If you have any of the really old handicap, super handicap hulls before they went to the grey hulls, they ran about the same way quality wise. I had one batch of the older red handicap hulls that was so thin they would crush very easily no matter what I tried to load in them.
Some other manufacturers hulls went the same way, I bought a bunch of Activ orange target hulls and they were a lot thinner than the red 12 ga hunting hulls.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Apr 17, 2014 6:40 am

There were some Red and Gray HS hulls with problems , as they were made 2 piece and did have a chance of separating , whereas
the old compression RED hulls would not . Winchester fixed this problem and fellas could get 5 to 7 reloads out of HS hulls with
lead shot for clay targets . I have reserved a half of 55 gal barrel of old compression hulls for heavy payloads in these but ,
rather use straight-walled hulls for reloading steel shot .
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby kenner » Thu Apr 17, 2014 5:34 pm

So, did the "separation" happen on the first loading, or after several? How dangerous?... I know, the words "separation" and "psi"/acronym don't mix....

I've not buckled the very few, SR4756 loads in grey hulls.... but,, a very small sample size.

I have noticed that I have to adjust my press for each hull I use. I know people say that they set it and leave it; that's not been my experience. Adding pressure to the wad has helped, but I still have to play with the press adjustment.

So,, I didn't press the wads in the past,, and then, I went to 90# on all my loads.... Is that way too much?? Not wanting to steal the thread.. thinking that it may be related. ???
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:15 pm

I load quiet a few Win HS hulls for clay targets ( thousands ) as my 9000 G is set-up for them but when reloading any
other hull I don't worry about the crimp as I Gaep finish them . This is with lead shot ( for games ,buffered ) or steel shot
for Waterfowl and they come out perfect , with the same wad pressure ( Consistency ) every time .
I only thing a fella has to be concerned about with the New HS hull , is wad length , using the right wad in these hulls
takes away the chance of separation but YES ! there were some bad hulls Winchester put out .
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:21 pm

Kenner

Get ahold of some old Compression Formed Winchester hulls for that 4756 load .........it's a killer at long range .
Roster has it in his manual as a buffered load but , it works great on live birds without the buffer .

I shoot enough pigeons to know !
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Jon Bergren » Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:57 am

I have a 35 gal plastic garbage can 80% full of red and gray one piece AA hulls. The grays load just fine as indicated on the forum. Ned S
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby kenner » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:07 pm

I threw all my grey AA in the trash..... sooo much to consider. The color is poor, for picking up...

Please feel free to tell me I'm stupid and should dig them outta the trash and dandelion seeds....
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Jon Bergren » Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:12 pm

I threw my latest (this years) two piece gray AA away. Ned S
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby BT Justice » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:11 am

If your having problems with fit in the HS hulls I swap out the WAA12R wad(claybuster makes a clone) for the WAA12 wad.
I've done this with some 7625 and Unique lead loads that wouldn't fit in HS hulls and they worked very well with the AA12R wads.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby bojac » Sat Apr 19, 2014 6:07 am

Isn't there a ridge inside toward the base of the hull that hangs up wads?
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Jon Bergren » Sat Apr 19, 2014 8:31 am

I have no problem with the ridge and RSI shotcups. Ned S
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby BT Justice » Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:39 am

bojac wrote:Isn't there a ridge inside toward the base of the hull that hangs up wads?

Some do and some don't, your Federal lead wads are wider at the base than Remington or Winchester wads so there can be some problem with them.
Main problem it seems these hulls were set up for very fine ball powders and Winchester wads, basically the wads are supposed to seat and seal inside the inner support wall of the hull. From my measurements it seems you can only use a limited amount of ball powder and the AA12 wad to get the exact factory type fit. Once you go to flake type powders or bulkier single base types like the IMR powders, all bets are off, a lot of times the powder charge goes above the rim line of the inner hull wall, you go to final crimp the load and all kinds of weird thing seem to happen sometimes.
I usually do a test load or two with a recipe I think is going to fit and see if it actually does.
For hunting loads with increased powder or shot charges the AA12R wads are short enough to accommodate loads calling for longer wads like the AA12.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby kenner » Wed Aug 13, 2014 10:54 pm

The most very cool AA hull I've found is an orange AA; I've been told it's a tracer round. I have enough for my phez loads, given the limited opportunities; they're great to find in the grass.... It would be very nice to have more orange, AAs!
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Aug 14, 2014 6:33 am

Those Orange AA's aren't tracers but the wad will follow the shot payload 50 / 55 yds . We've had a lot of fun watching
shooters shoot these at night....very interesting seeing the line of the wad in relation to the target . Bass Pro has them
for $11.99 a box.....another marketing gimmick as I see it , as Super Handicaps work just fine .

The old CF Win hull works just fine for steel loads but , there are other straight-walled hulls that you don't have to be
so concerned about and they are plentiful .
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby kenner » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:56 am

Ya,, I guess "tracer" was the incorrect term.... As you described, being able to watch the wad travel towards the target.

They might be useful for those who can't break targets and are having trouble figuring out what's going on.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Aug 14, 2014 9:10 am

Your right ! Thinking the concept of pointing the gun in front of a moving target with a good follow-through might
stick in ones head ?

Yea , maybe not a Gimmick of marketing.....but , if you were to shoot a bird inside 40 yds with it , well , not a good
sight to see / eat ? :yes:

Pretty hulls , they are !
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby Windrider » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:05 pm

I've gone to AAs for lead loads and federal gold medal plastic for everything else because of the crimps, wad fit I side the hull and crushing hulls during the crimping stage.

Of course the gold medals don't get reloading near as many times.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby lostknife4 » Thu Aug 14, 2014 5:28 pm

FGM and the Challengers have long been the mainstay for my hunting and target loadings. I've been using the CB6xxx-12 wads , which are deisgned specifically for the straight wall hulls and I use them exclusively for the lead loadings. The hunting loads I use almost all TPS shotcups for steel and TSS.

Recently I have been saving the Win grey hulls, picked up at the range to load some other game loads but the previous discussion leads me to believe that I have wasted my time saving them??????

Has anyone loaded field Steel in these hulls with any success?

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Re: AA gray hull

Postby kenner » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:02 pm

They work fine for me,, but I don't like that they're grey and are hard to find in the grass/swamp.
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Re: AA gray hull

Postby 3200 man » Thu Aug 14, 2014 8:26 pm

STS's and SureShot hulls but not the Win HS hulls .

I save them and CF hulls for speedy lead loads ! :yes:
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