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best size for those decoying honkers

Postby hurtin_honkers » Sun Aug 17, 2014 5:50 pm

hey guys, Ive always used bbs, or even bbb and once t shot, and seem to do alright i guess, Ive killed two geese with #2s that came out of no where on a duck hunt on a small brook, but what do you guys like for those decoying geese? the gun i just bought is only a 2 3/4, (I know, I know, anything less than a 3 1/2 these days is almost forbidden among the blind! :eek: ) but at only 2 3/4 i was thinking #2s would be a good option, no steel will ever knock em dead as good as lead, but hey, we can always pretend
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Cujo1 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:19 pm

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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Honkerblaster » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:30 pm

As far as 12 ga goes, I use 2.75" #2, kill geese and ducks with it to the 40 yard line no problem.
To kill your targeted game bird at long range effectively your shotgun must shoot pellets that have the energy to kill at the max range you will be shooting. To kill consistently the load should also be choked correctly to achieve enough pattern density.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Theduckguru » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:37 pm

In factory loads, 1s or BB. In reloads, B or BB.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:48 pm

#3's or larger will work if under 40 yards with a magnum load of pellets.
One in the head or wing joint and it is bird down................
then it helps if you have a dog. :thumbsup:

I am old school and use nothing but BB's for geese................
I want them down and dead if possible...... don't need to beat up the dogs !!

However I have known a few dogs that like a little fight back to the blind. :beer:
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby 3200 man » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:16 pm

I can tell you this ! Hunting up in Sask , shooting Big Canadas over decoys I used 1 1/16 oz of 1's in a Lt Mod choke .
Killed them dead with very little kick left , these were shot inside 30 yds with the 2 3/4 " loads . I decided to change
chokes to a IM (.025 ) , still no problems ( dead in the Air ) inside 40 yds , until they turned and were going ether quartering
away or straight away . I could knock them down 85 % of the time but very seldom kill'em Dead in the air after 40 yds .

Fyi.....1 1/16 0z 0f 1's = 108 pellets

1 1/4 oz of BB's = 90 pellets
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby R-Factor » Sun Aug 17, 2014 8:31 pm

1-1/4 oz of #1 for me pretty much all season long at decoying geese...I have around two cases of it right now and it really seems to be a good fit for my style of goosin'. I shoot through a Carlson IC choke and have been rather pleased with the combo...most shots well under 40 yds...many under 15 yds. :biggrin:
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Seaark18 » Sun Aug 17, 2014 11:42 pm

I'm a 2.75" gun, I'd go with 1's. For the larger shells, it's hard to go wrong with BBs.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby mudpack » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:19 am

You don't say what yardage your "decoying" geese will be shot at; could be 10 yards (in which case shot size won't matter) or it could be 40 yards (and there will always be some of those any time you hunt). I'm like Sagebrush and Seaark over there: I like steel BB's when I'm going out for geese. BB's will kill geese at any range that the pattern holds together. I might go down to 1's in an emergency.

I've killed geese with steel 4's, but not intentionally.

Why don't you pattern your gun with several different loads and find out what it likes? You might want to keep the load at least 1 1/4oz to start with, and try some 1's, B's, BB's, and BBB's. You should find a load that patterns well at 40 yards....and if it patterns well at 40 yards, it is patterning well at shorter ranges.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby skb20 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:07 pm

hurtin_honkers wrote:........ no steel will ever knock em dead as good as lead, but hey, we can always pretend


Yup. That is what they say on the internet, so it must be true? Except when rigorous objective field testing is done -- See link below. The primary problem in believing the "steel sucks" stories is that it gives us a convenient excuse for shooter error, most often poor range estimation and/or poor pointing precision (usually hitting them aft of center).

By the way, current 12 ga, 2 3/4", 1 1/4 oz loadings of steel BB's are very, very close to the 3" loads used in the linked study. They will likely pattern very well through LM or MOD>

Good Luck.


http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3 ... 4603137353
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby BBK » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:15 pm

With the 2 3/4 find some 1 1/4 #BB. The BB will retain enough energy to kill them on the fringe even at 1300fps. 1's and 2's would be lacking at that slow speed, you'll have to drop down to 1 1/8 at 1400fps and hope for the best.

Just remember to hit them in the handle and not the duster.
Why do I shoot 3.5" for geese? Because they don't make a 4" yet!
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby BBK » Mon Aug 18, 2014 2:17 pm

The one thing you didn't say was what species of geese you are shooting. If you are shooting 6# lessers then you can use 2's all day long. If you are shooting 12# giants then you need something a little bigger...

For "regular" geese, 1's would be my choice. I only said BB because we shoot giants here, 12-13# usually. They laugh at 1's once they quarter away.
Why do I shoot 3.5" for geese? Because they don't make a 4" yet!
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Theduckguru » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:15 pm

skb20 wrote:
hurtin_honkers wrote:........ no steel will ever knock em dead as good as lead, but hey, we can always pretend


Yup. That is what they say on the internet, so it must be true? Except when rigorous objective field testing is done -- See link below. The primary problem in believing the "steel sucks" stories is that it gives us a convenient excuse for shooter error, most often poor range estimation and/or poor pointing precision (usually hitting them aft of center).

By the way, current 12 ga, 2 3/4", 1 1/4 oz loadings of steel BB's are very, very close to the 3" loads used in the linked study. They will likely pattern very well through LM or MOD>

Good Luck.


http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3 ... 4603137353


I doubt you are shooting any 2-3/4" round with a true 1-1/4 oz measure of any steel larger than #4
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby lostknife4 » Mon Aug 18, 2014 6:40 pm

1 oz TSS # 7 @ 1350 fps up to 60 yards from a 12 ga FGM 2-3/4" hull. I.C.Choke, for longer range no tighter than L.M.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby kenner » Tue Aug 19, 2014 8:33 pm

Lost: How many pellets in that load? Any pattern pics?
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby baltz526 » Tue Aug 19, 2014 9:21 pm

hurtin_honkers wrote:hey guys, Ive always used bbs, or even bbb and once t shot, and seem to do alright i guess, Ive killed two geese with #2s that came out of no where on a duck hunt on a small brook, but what do you guys like for those decoying geese? the gun i just bought is only a 2 3/4, (I know, I know, anything less than a 3 1/2 these days is almost forbidden among the blind! :eek: ) but at only 2 3/4 i was thinking #2s would be a good option, no steel will ever knock em dead as good as lead, but hey, we can always pretend
What Choke is in this 12ga 2 3/4" gun you just bought?
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby Honkerblaster » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:19 pm

skb20 wrote:
hurtin_honkers wrote:........ no steel will ever knock em dead as good as lead, but hey, we can always pretend


Yup. That is what they say on the internet, so it must be true? Except when rigorous objective field testing is done -- See link below. The primary problem in believing the "steel sucks" stories is that it gives us a convenient excuse for shooter error, most often poor range estimation and/or poor pointing precision (usually hitting them aft of center).

By the way, current 12 ga, 2 3/4", 1 1/4 oz loadings of steel BB's are very, very close to the 3" loads used in the linked study. They will likely pattern very well through LM or MOD>

Good Luck.


http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3 ... 4603137353

Part of what you said is true about poor range estimation and poor shooting is true. Balistcally, lead is far superior to steel. Not to mention you can push more shot with lead because it doesn't need to travel as fast to be effective and holds it's velocity much farther then steel. Also since it is much denser you can use smaller pellets, which makes denser patterns, denser patterns extend your range. Lead is much softer, you can hoke it down farther and much safer than steel. I fail to see how it isn't superior to steel? But I would rather have clean water lots of birds and use steel :biggrin: my 10 gauge setup with steel is effective to 60 yards, I haven't yet patterned at 65 and 70 yet, but judging on my 60 yard patterns it may possibly do well at the 65-70 yard mark, but that's why I'm going to pattern and see, anyway I can't complain too much... Even though I wish I could experience 2.25 of lead #2 or BB through a terror .705 shooting birds.
To kill your targeted game bird at long range effectively your shotgun must shoot pellets that have the energy to kill at the max range you will be shooting. To kill consistently the load should also be choked correctly to achieve enough pattern density.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby lostknife4 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:50 am

kenner wrote:Lost: How many pellets in that load? Any pattern pics?
Thanks! Ken


183 #7 pellets/oz according to KPY. I have never counted them I just weigh out 1 oz and that makes up for any variances in mass density. I haven't patterned the 12 ga yet but I have patterned the 28 ga 5/8 oz loadings of 8's and 9's.
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby zpstl321 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 5:37 am

Lost,

That has to be one heck of a duck and goose load!
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby tornadochaser » Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:54 am

Lost, what is the cost per round to reload 1 oz loads of TSS 7's?
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby 11-87 Va » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:39 am

Like # 2s....... Love #1s
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby kenner » Fri Aug 22, 2014 9:58 am

11-87, What payload of #1s?; what choke?; distance?; size/variety of goose?
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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 11:15 am

with factory ammo i like the following 23/4 inch loads for decoying geese which by decoying in my terms is all shots under 40 yards....more like 35 yards and under.....for all shots. really any load of 3's to biggest shot will work if fps is 1300 or more...been there in done that even with small 7's with head shots.

but here is the factory loads....

kent 11/8 of 2's----kent 11/16 of 2's or 1's both 23/4 inch loads
remington nitro 11/8 loads of 2's in 23/4 inch
rio 23/4 inch 11/8 loads of 2's and or bb's and even there 11/4 oz of 2 and bb's is good load...

for reloads i like 7/8 oz of 2's-b's going 1700 plus fps..when they are hit boom flop and 1oz loads going 1600 plus with 2's -b's
then the more on average shooters side reloads would be 450 through 492 grain loads....of 2's-bb's.

all above shells will do the trick if shooting is on the mark.

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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby lostknife4 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:13 pm

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Re: best size for those decoying honkers

Postby tornadochaser » Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:23 pm

I shoot a lot of 3" #1's for combo duck/goose fields, and snows, and 3.5" #1's on honkers. I honestly have yet to find a load of #1 that doesn't pattern acceptable.
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