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Oh 3200

Postby hamernhonkers » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:26 pm

Got a test batch of 1 oz hw13 4 shot ready to go and I have tomorrow off. I am not gonna shoot any under 40. :)

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Re: Oh 3200

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:42 pm

3200 and I talk together a little............

are you going to put those on paper at 60 or 65 yards by chance ?

I can get a 1 1/4oz #2 Bismuth with buffer at 65 yards at around 70% pattern.

Those Heavy should do as good or even better !!

Any buffer in that load ?

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Re: Oh 3200

Postby hamernhonkers » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:48 pm

Sage I am planning on shooting 40, 50, and 60. They are only listed at 1180 and my hand count was 120 pellets per oz. I am guessing they will be very tight at 40 even with the IC tube. This will be fun to see.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Aug 17, 2014 6:59 pm

I/C should work with a Mod as a "Full Choke" with those..........
unless you have one of those super duper chokes for those pellets. They were a little to rich for my wallet
for the amount that I had left to reload. I just stuck with the factory chokes and the one extended choke that I bought.

I gave up on #5 heavi.........
just not enough poop to pop the balloon, if you know what I mean.

Those #4's should snocker the heck out of any goose that comes within range.

I loaded a Federal GM with w209, steel powder and a sonic 28 wad with 547gr of Hevi, no buffer, for 1480 fps.....

Have a great season.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby 3200 man » Sun Aug 17, 2014 7:27 pm

Wow , I will have my ears on Jesse !

I did a trade for 5 lbs of HW 13 #4's , thinking I would load them to back-up some 12 ga steel loads .
I think I have everything for the 28 ga , Ched hulls ,Tsp wads so I'll be anxious to see what you get ?

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I sure would like to see that GM hull 1 1/4 oz load recipe ? 1480 fps outta what choke , IC ?

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Re: Oh 3200

Postby derbyacresbob » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:20 pm

These two loads are from the RSI Heavyweight Shot Reloader's Guide Volume 3.
They both show one 1/8" felt wad but I would bet it will take 1/4" of felt or more.

RSI Load #22

12 ga Fed GM 2-3/4" Hull
Win 209 primer
36 gr Alliant "Steel" powder
SAM 1 12ga 2-3/4" wad
one 1/8" felt wad under shot
1-1/4 oz of shot
1,450 fps
9,100 PSI


RSI Load #25

12 ga Fed GM 2-3/4" Hull
Win 209 primer
35 gr Alliant "Steel" powder
SAM 1 12ga 2-3/4" wad
one 1/8" felt wad under shot
1-1/4 oz of shot with 23 gr buffer
1,395 FPS
9,900 PSI


From BPI's Handloading Hevi-Shot Fourth Edition Manual

Load HS030247

12 ga Fed GM 2-3/4" Hull
Fed 209A primer
36 gr Alliant "Steel" powder
MM1275 Wad with two 1/4" cw/fw wads
1-1/4 oz of shot with 20 gr of buffer
1,325 FPS
10,600 PSI
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby DoubleDutchChuck » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:25 pm

Larry,

There are some good 1 1/4oz recipes in that RSI Hevi-shot manual. Course, they call for a Sam wad tho. I shoot a couple of those loaded w/ 4's and they'll kill geese a long way out. I add a mylar wrap inside those Sam wads for added protection. Recipes 22, 23, and 25 are good ones.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby kenner » Sun Aug 17, 2014 10:16 pm

Really excited to hear your results!!

1oz HW13, according to ITX13, runs 133 pellets/oz; given Tom Roster's CONSEP recommendations, that would only require a 50% pattern.

I'm really interested to see what happens 'tween 50 and 60yds!

And you could always do a HW13 #2/#4 duplex! ;-)
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby 3200 man » Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:28 am

Thanks Bob and Chuck

Here's something I've always wondered ? I understand patterning at different distances with HW 13 to be sure of
it's ability but wouldn't lead shot of the same size show the quality of the pattern , just the same ? A 1250 fps load
of HW 13 compared to a load of good round lead shot , I think it would be the same ??? :huh:
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby kenner » Mon Aug 18, 2014 8:48 am

HW13 is much harder than lead and won't deform, like lead. So, it "should" hold a tighter pattern. Plus, it's 2g/cm3 more dense, and so would also hold a tighter pattern than lead, because of this.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby 3200 man » Mon Aug 18, 2014 9:03 am

So are you saying the trajectory should be about the same ?
Thinking the impact of the HW 13 would be more and with patterns being a little tighter......inside 55 yds , wouldn't
make much difference ? :huh:

But , practicing longer shots at close to the same velocity.....would be Golden ? You Think ?
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby kenner » Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:09 am

I haven't shot mine.... Maybe Tuesday; What I'm saying is pure conjecture on my part and anectdotal from others.

Roster recommends a min pattern density of 50-55 pellets in a 30" circle for taking large geese.

Being more dense than lead, you'll get the same mass as lead, in a smaller pellet and therefore, more penetration. This is why Lostknife shoots small TSS, density of 18g/cc, I believe. Ask "Lost" to run a KPY comparison.

I'll bow out and leave those with real-life experience give you more sound advice.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby derbyacresbob » Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:57 pm

3200 man wrote:Thanks Bob and Chuck

Here's something I've always wondered ? I understand patterning at different distances with HW 13 to be sure of
it's ability but wouldn't lead shot of the same size show the quality of the pattern , just the same ? A 1250 fps load
of HW 13 compared to a load of good round lead shot , I think it would be the same ??? :huh:


When I had to start shooting lead free shotgun shells at coyotes I patterned some 12 ga 3" 1-1/2 oz loads of Remington Wingmaster HD BB shot and compared it to my old favorite goose and coyote load, Federal Premium 3" 12 ga 1-7/8 oz of copper coated lead BBs.

The Federal 1-7/8 oz lead BB loads had 26 to 28 more BB pellets per shell than the 3" Rem 1-1/2 oz HD BB load had. The Federal lead BB load put 15 pellets in a 12" circle at 40 yards and the Rem HD BB load with less pellets in it put 32 pellets in the 12" circle at 40 yards and that was through the same choke.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby kenner » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:01 pm

Yes, 3200, google "hw 13 heavyweight 13 pattern". I think it was Toasty, who did a nice summary of HW13 on this DHC.
(thanks, HH).

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=156113
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby hamernhonkers » Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:05 pm

kenner wrote:Yes, 3200, google "hw 13 heavyweight 13 pattern". I think it was 10ga Okie, who did a nice summary of HW13 on this DHC.

Its toasty's work I believe your thinking of.
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Re: Oh 3200

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Re: Oh 3200

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Re: Oh 3200

Postby kenner » Mon Aug 18, 2014 11:50 pm

Thank you for posting! Just connecting people and posts, so they don't have to search so much.
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Re: Oh 3200

Postby 3200 man » Tue Aug 19, 2014 7:29 am

Thanks Kenner and Jesse I have looked at toasty work , ( I do appreciate it Toasty ) !

I was just looking for the middle ground in shot density as trigger time seems ( to be , to me ) more important than
pellet density at ranges beyond 50 yards .

To tell you the truth , I have to use-up what I have before THIS state , drops the hammer on lead use hunting ! maybe .
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