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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Rob MacK » Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:26 pm

You're welcome Ned. If you or anyone else would like a copy in pdf format send me a PM and I will send it to you.

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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby FeatherFanatic » Sat Mar 20, 2010 2:19 pm

OK i just got started last week loaded my first box of shells last night, im gunna go test them out in about 20 mins. Now where is the cheepest place to get the components, im only intrested in loading 2 3/4" target loads for the time being. I been using AA hulls and wads and Red dot powerded. Thanks
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby joshco84 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 3:01 pm

Powder and primers are normally cheaper locally as you have to pay a hazmat fee to ship them.

Wads can be found at decent prices locally, but normally can be bought in bulk quite cheaply online.

Hulls and shots can be a toss up.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby lostknife4 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:24 am

The Handbook of Shotshell Reloading, Ken Couger author and Richard Henderson editor.
SKR Industries Inc, PO Box 1382,San Angelo, Texas 76902 copyright 1984, ISBN 0-9613264-0-9

This handbook was published in 1984 and lot of the content is on reloading with a MEC 600 and 700. These are the older style loaders with the metalic sizing dies but they go into detail on adjusting everything. This is the only handbook that I have seen that gives this much detail on using and adjusting the MEC.

There is also a chapter on hull identification, full colour, and of course a data section for loads. Other chapters include but not limited to:Reloading Basics, How to select components, choosing a recipe,Intro to the loading data, references etc.

For a beginner and old guy like myself this has proven to be the most informative handbook I have and have ever seen, I think it's time they produced this book again updated to the Steelmaster and dedicated to Steel shot. If any of you readers ever see a handbook like this ie MEC and Steel, please IM me I would be very interested. Lost

PS: The kind people at MEC have recommended, as an update to the above, "Reloading for Shotgunners 5th edn" ISBN 0-87349-813-5 probably available from Gun Digest or Precision Reloading or BPI. I've just ordered one thru Gun Digest at 888-457-2873 or like me on-line.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby miestrojerry » Mon Sep 06, 2010 5:28 pm

I am not new to reloading, I have been doing metallic reloading for over 40 years, been casting bullets, RBs and slugs for over 30 years. I bought a copy of the Lyman 5th Edition Shotshell Reloading Handbook and a NEC 600 jr Mk 5 a little more than a year ago. Read the manual, loaded a lot of lead shot and a few different slugs. Now I want to get into steel shot, because I know some hunting now requires non toxic shoot.

So I want to know what are the main differences and what little things I should look for. I plan on buying a MEC Steelmaster some time this winter.

So any advice, specialty items, tips or what ever would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby joshco84 » Mon Sep 06, 2010 9:55 pm

jerry, in kind of a simple breakdown, here is the difference in steel shot.

No metering powder or shot. STEEL powder is big flakes and does not really meter worth a damn. The shot can cut bushings and charge bars if you are not careful since its so hard. Besides the steel shot does not meter well anyways.

Pretty much loading steel shotshells is like handloading rifle shells. I personally do everything one step at a time, 25 shells at a time

Resize deprime all 25
Prime all 25
etc etc.

Very rewarding in my opinion though, i love my handloads for waterfowl.
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Postby miestrojerry » Tue Sep 07, 2010 2:34 pm

Thanks, now I will have try loading some. Is getting a Steel Master still a good idea?

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Postby Norsky » Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:07 pm

I like mine. others will say you all you need is the 600 but the sizer is worth it in my opinion. It really does put the steel head back to factory dimensions all the way around. I hand weigh shot and powder also. I enjoy the loading process and I don't need to crank out 10 boxes an hour. BPI status of Steel manual is a good one to read to understand steel shot reloading.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby miestrojerry » Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:06 pm

I will probably order the BPI Steel manual in a couple of weeks, but I am still waiting for slug reloading manual from them. The idea of having a separate press for a different type of reloading is appealing to me.

I really don't turn out that much in shot shell ammo, except I load a strong shell with #4 shot, to use in my shotgun that I carry around on my farm. I must have about 20 boxes of those load.

This was suppose to be the year I started doing clays again, but foot surgery delayed that until next year.

The more I learn the more I can apply without making mistakes.

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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Rob MacK » Mon Nov 01, 2010 5:45 am

Here is the link to the downloadable/printable version of "Shotshell Reloading – How to on Shotgun Reloading Steel" article posted in the duck hunting section of this web site.

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/media/reloading.pdf


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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Cary » Fri Feb 04, 2011 9:27 am

Rob MacK wrote:Here is the link to the downloadable/printable version of "Shotshell Reloading – How to on Shotgun Reloading Steel" article posted in the duck hunting section of this web site.

http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/media/reloading.pdf


Good luck

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I used the link you provided above and it took me to the "Shotgun Reloading Steel" document you completed which looks to be good. I was wondering if you could provide a link to the "Shotshell Reloading" document as well. I have looked around and haven't been able to fine it. If it is anything like "Shotgun Reloading Steel" then I want to save a copy of it as well. Thanks for your help. :smile:
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Ned S » Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:38 am

The Lyman 55 will drop STEEL powder accurately. Mine drops withing a 0.1 grain and once in 10 drops within 0.2 grain. Most powder measuring devices are accurate within 0.1 grain. I count my shot steel 3's and bigger using small rifle primer trays taping off the unused holes and throwing the shot into a mounted funnel with the hull underneath. Using steel 4's and smaller I use unslitted shotcups cut to the proper length and callibrated. I get within 3 shot max with this method. I also seat my shotcups and spacers by hand using a short piece of dowel glued to a c'bored hole in a wood door pull which you can get at Lowes. You have to C'bore the pull. Using these methods I get very good velocity and pattern consistancy. I use mostly RSI and Lightning Steel loads. Ned S the young 83 yr old.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby mudpack » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:34 am

Rob MacK wrote:Here is the link to the downloadable/printable version of "Shotshell Reloading – How to on Shotgun Reloading Steel" article posted in the duck hunting section of this web site.
http://www.nodakoutdoors.com/media/reloading.pdf
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Postby KGChunter » Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:05 pm

Interested in getting started....How is the Lee load all II?
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Postby Pepper1 » Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:14 am

I am thinking of reloading again. I did some in the 70's as a boy. I have all my dads old equipment, supplies, and (lead) formulas. I know I will have to change alot for steel and non toxics.

Are supplies fairly easy to come by? Powder and such?

Porbably set the shop back up and dive in whole hawg ! lol
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Black Coyote » Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:39 pm

KGChunter wrote:Interested in getting started....How is the Lee load all II?


It works for the price ($5 more than a bag of shot) and comes with all the bushings you need for lead loads. It does 6 and 8 point crimps. There's no adjustments possible, so each type hull requires practice to get a decent crimp. It seems to be easiest to crimp Win. Universal hulls with the Lee II as the plastic isn't too rigid. Good luck!
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Postby Dave in AZ » Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:43 am

Heres some recent writeups on costs for starting, as it seems folks arent looking at this thread or referring folks here lately, maybe due to no recent posts.

lostknife4 wrote:Some of us have been reloading for upwards of 50 years and more so our equipment or capital investment cost has long since paid for itself even being that it has run into the thousands. We no longer apply any depreciation expense to our reloads and if you are young enough and do any target shooting then now is the time to start reloading especially for those gauges other than 12 and to some extent 20 as I have found I can't reload, and that's just buying the components and using mt's that I scrounge from the ranges for free, as cheap as I can buy this target ammo in bulk.
You have been given good advice on starting , mainly get the Lyman manual and read it thru at least 3 times and at that point you should be sufficiently educated to post intelligent questions. If you are loading for hunting you can definitely hand load ammunition that is cheaper and every bit as good and some cases better than you can buy, in the case of TSS there are no factory loadings.
Try starting reloading with a LEE single stage and work your way up from there, it may well be the only press you will need for your needs and although I have worked up to Ponsness Warren and MEC progressives I still have and use occasionally my LEE Loadall Jr which is no longer manufactured and used a single centre post but it will put a fold crimp on paper cases that no other press that I have had can beat.
You may want to start with a used MEC Sizemaster, there seems to be quite a few on the internet, a good solid machine that has an auto primer feed and a collet style resizer, both of these features are very advantageous. Die sets are available for the MEC but IMHO it's better in the long run to buy another press for each gauge.
In my present procedure I use a MEC Sizemaster to size and prime hulls in bulk, they are then finished loaded with a P-W 375 and either fold crimped on the 375 or removed and roll crimped using a GAEP tools. Not the fastest procedure but it makes for some fine looking and consistent performance ammo.
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Dave in AZ wrote:You don't actually want to use the HeviShot 12g/cc stuff, you can get much better shot from RSI that is 13g/cc (more dense) AND very spherical and round, massively higher quality-- and cheaper! $235 for 10lbs. Better shells.
That works out to $1.28 per shell for shot, plus parts.
Total cost is $1.55 without buying new hulls; $1.65 if you buy new primed hulls.

Here's a reloading cost calculator for your use:
http://www.ewrg.org/sscalc.html
powder is around $24/lb, shot is $235/10lbs (HW13#6) or $16/10lbs (steel), primers are $25/1000 or so, new primed hulls are $14/100 or so, wads are $10/100 for SAM1 or $17/250 of CSD203.

I usually shoot 10-15 of these HW13#6 shells on an outing (ok, my kids do), which is a small part of the total cost of getting them out on a good duck hunt with me usually, so well worth it for me.

Oh and the link from dla above to the 20ga reloading site is very good, I recommend it for 20ga duck reloaders.
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Postby Swampdrake » Thu May 18, 2017 7:18 pm

Swampdrake here, I'm new to the form and have been reading a lot of your posts. They are great, a lot of good information. I'm not new to reloading but new to steel shot. I want to start loading my own steel loads and I'm a little confused about spacers and the right kind of hull. I could use some pointers on this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a Mec 600 jr press, and are looking into the 3.5 conversion kit. I'd like to load #2 shot and get it up somewhere around 1500 FPS. I load a lot of rifle and pistol ammo, and 12ga field loads. But steel is a different beast.
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Postby jsh909 » Fri May 19, 2017 6:32 am

You don't need a conversion kit to get steel 2s around the 1500 mark. A 2-3/4 inch hull will do you just fine for that.

Do you have access to any once fired hulls to get started?

Load data is precise when it comes to steel. Each hull has its own set of data. If you can accumulate some hulls, that would be a good starting point. After that you can find some data using those hulls, that will tell you what components you will need. Most hulls have multiple data points using multiple components that will give multiple load variations.

A good manual is a great starting point. It will explain the loading process, plus you can get an idea from the data as to what loads you would be interested in.

Multiple online stores sell new hulls also if you would rather go that route. If you decide to do that, you could pick a data point first and then buy the components specific to that load and hope it patterns and performs well. You well end up with hundreds of different components anyways once you get rolling, because inevitably you will want to try something new. So really it's not a bad way to get started.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Dave in AZ » Fri May 19, 2017 12:12 pm

Swampdrake wrote:Swampdrake here, I'm new to the form and have been reading a lot of your posts. They are great, a lot of good information. I'm not new to reloading but new to steel shot. I want to start loading my own steel loads and I'm a little confused about spacers and the right kind of hull. I could use some pointers on this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I have a Mec 600 jr press, and are looking into the 3.5 conversion kit. I'd like to load #2 shot and get it up somewhere around 1500 FPS. I load a lot of rifle and pistol ammo, and 12ga field loads. But steel is a different beast.


You absolutely don't need 3.5" ammo. 2.75" 12ga will do 1-1/8oz #2 at 1500 fps in some hulls, and 1450-1500 in a zillion hulls. Look for recipes that don't use any spacers or fillers! Start with this, use SEARCH and find threads on 10gaOkie and the "HG" load, his excellent version of the perfect fitting 2.75" load. Buy a few boxes of target shells and shoot them for the hulls: any cheddite hull such as Estate white box, the new Federal (Rio made) Game and Target, Herters-- all are outstanding hulls to make this 9/8oz #2 load with. CSD118 wads from BPI, or the TUWSBL32 version from precision. Alliant steel powder. Cheddite 209 primers.
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Swampdrake » Fri May 19, 2017 5:01 pm

i do appreciate the advice, i do need to get a shotgun reloading book, do yal have a favorite, a go to loading manual. I was looking into the conversion kit because i wanted to load 3.5in. i dont even shoot 2 3/4 at ducks where i live. Early season i use 3 in, but switch to 3.5 when it gets cold. hunting the saltwater rivers and ocean, got to have the big boys. Mostly because im not the best shot in the world. My Mec 600 jr can load 3 in, i might start there. I have read on other forms that alot of people hand weigh their shot, because it does not media good through the mec dies. Do yall hand weigh!!!! Thank you for your inputs, and taking the time to answer my questions. I know yal probably hear them alot.
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Postby jsh909 » Sat May 20, 2017 5:29 am

Yes, we hand weigh all shot and powder charges. I highly recommend that you do as well. STEEL powder just does not drop well or consistently through bushings and the shot is the same for the most part. Typically with handloads the reason you don't need to load 3.5in shells is you can get near if not better performance out of 2.75 or 3in shells. You can get great payloads and speed out of the shorter shells once you start making your own, much better than factory loads.

What gun are you shooting?
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Re: ??? WANT TO START RELOADING ???

Postby Swampdrake » Sat May 20, 2017 8:49 pm

I appreciate it guys, i will start with 3 in and go from there. goint to find a good shotgun loading manul and get started. ill let y'all know how it goes. Thanks again, Swampdrake
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Postby Swampdrake » Tue May 23, 2017 6:27 pm

Hey guys, I have a question. It might be be but I seen on YouTube where a man said you need a 3in shell sizer to load 3in on the mec 600 jr. I tried to set mine but it won't deprime. I tried looking this part up but can not find it anywhere. Do y'all know anything about this. I appreciate any help I can get. I did raise my loader to the 3in setting and got the primer seat die to work. But could not get the crimping die to work also. I'm thinking I should stick to rifle and pistol loading.
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