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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby goosepit2007 » Fri Jan 20, 2017 6:59 pm

mudpack wrote:
goosepit2007 wrote:that load that Rick hall mentioned 7/8 oz of fives going 1500 fps even if it is actually little less fps will kill to 28 yards(900ft above sea level) easly... done a lot of testing with 12 gauge with five shot same 7/8 oz and was lights out...most people can not shoot that well past 30 yards anyways...20 gauge does not make difference ....over 12 gauge same shot charge..same results...that is if your 20 gauge patterns the load without holes ect. goose

You are right, goose; it's the payload that counts, not the size of the barrel it comes out of. That's why larger gauge guns are more effective than smaller gauge guns: the larger gauge guns can utilize a larger payload. A larger payload means longer effective range, all else being equal.
The main reason 20 gauge guns are generally shorter-range guns is that they can only throw lighter payloads. They are also less efficient for the average shooter at shorter ranges because the lighter payload means you have to choke tighter to keep pattern density up....and a tighter choke means less room for error, pointing-wise.
At very short ranges....less than 20 yards....it makes little difference if you are shooting a 10 gage with 1.5oz of shot or a 20 gage with 7/8oz of shot.



well reason i said.28yards is because five steel shot body hits no head neck hits is about it for clean kills. do to size shot and energy retained in flight after leaving bbl...no.mater 11/8oz of fives or 3/4 oz five steel ...about it for yardage head neck.hits along wsys out there for yardages but that can not be guaranteed...20 gauge 7/8 and or oz loads three get ya to forty easy with improved mod choke...same in 12 gauge 7/8oz and oz gets ya to that same yardage
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby TonyBlaize » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:03 pm

I just pattern tested my 20GA SX3 today. At 30 yards my best pattern was Black Cloud 1 oz 2's. I'll probably buy a case of them for next season.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby Dave in AZ » Sat Jan 21, 2017 6:49 pm

Can you say what choke and what else you shot? Ive got one of those and your results may help me or others if you fill in some detail. Thx!
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby TonyBlaize » Sat Jan 21, 2017 10:48 pm

Factory Invector Plus modified.I tested a bunch of random shells I had laying around. My 3 best from 30 yards were BC 1oz 2's, BC close range 4's, & Winchester Super X 2's. I didn't try Blind Side though and I've heard they pattern well out of the SX3's. Will be testing those this offseason at some point. Since it seemed like BC's were my best patterns I ordered the Carlson BC long rang choke today to see how that does.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby HCK » Mon Jan 23, 2017 2:34 pm

My oppinion 20ga kills like 12 normal ranges lets say under 45 yards. I shot all my patterns least to 40 yards if not try to find some spread loads. Im pretty sure that these patterns kills any ducks if you hit like you need to be

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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby Yuchi1 » Mon Jan 23, 2017 3:47 pm

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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby AvianAddict » Mon Jan 23, 2017 6:17 pm

What shells are you shooting in that pattern?


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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby AvianAddict » Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:56 pm

I bought a couple boxes of shells to pattern out of the new 20. I bought a box of Kent 7/8 4s and a box of Black Cloud 1oz 2's. figured that might be a good starting point. I only cut open 2 of each and the Kents had 173 and 174 pellets, right on point I thought. The black clouds had 113 and 115! That's a 7/8 oz load! I thought the 1oz of black cloud would give me more range and pattern density than a 7/8 oz load! I paid $6 more per box versus the Kent, could have got the same payload for cheaper. Maybe they'll pattern great, maybe not. Hope to get to the range next weekend.


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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby fowledlogic » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:23 pm

Picked up my SX3 '20' last Friday. Finally got the the CZ Teal issue resolved! When the replacement Teal came in I traded up to the SX3. Waiting for that resolution took about 3 1/2 months!!!! The SX3 was on back-order. That took about 2 1/2 weeks. I plan on shooting heavier-than-steel shot for the most part. Hevi, ITX, maybe E-shot. Long wait though till next season.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby flyndutchman » Mon Mar 20, 2017 8:47 pm

Kent 3" #3's is about as good as it gets for factory ammo for the 20ga for ducks. Black cloud, HeviMetal, Blindside and all the other hype loads are a waste of good money that could be spent in the off season shooting clays to help your shooting. Find a choke that will give a nice even pattern at 30-35 yards with that load and never look back. I don't feel under gunned with my 20ga and regular steel anymore on ducks at all. I shoot several thousand rounds of 12 ,28, and 410 at skeet every year, it made a huge difference. Geese are a different story with the 20ga, but I rarely hunt them.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby NW Birdhunter » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:57 am

I like the 20 gauge, I'm going to try to use mine more this fall too. Hopefully somebody perfects some good non toxic reloads for it that won't cost too much. :thumbsup:
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby 3200 man » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:43 am

Both my White Lightning 3" 20 ga O/U 28" and my Mod 12 2 3/4" 20 ga 28" have done well with Kent's with #3's shot ,
With the 3" offering being a 1550 fps load it is very effective out to 40 yds plus ! I don't feel I give up anything while
shooting it over decoying Mallard size birds and "if" the Spec's are decoying well , it's very effective too with #2's shot !

The 20 ga 3" hull seems to be more suited for a higher Density larger shot size than the 2 3/4" hull so , that's a big plus
for more energy , if that's what you need ! :thumbsup:
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby flyndutchman » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:20 pm

If you hand load, 2 3/4" with 3/4oz of #3's get the job done nicely on ducks. At 1500-1550, 3/4oz choked right is a great load. For me it is more effective than 3" #2's at a slower speed. It is about all I used last season and I shoot a lot of divers which are a tough bird.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby NW Birdhunter » Tue Mar 21, 2017 1:46 pm

flyndutchman wrote:If you hand load, 2 3/4" with 3/4oz of #3's get the job done nicely on ducks. At 1500-1550, 3/4oz choked right is a great load. For me it is more effective than 3" #2's at a slower speed. It is about all I used last season and I shoot a lot of divers which are a tough bird.


Sounds good. What powder, and how much, wad, primer and hull do you load that in? Will it function in 20 gauge semi automatics? I would like to try some if they cycle in a 20 auto. Thanks.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby 3200 man » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:01 pm

I have reloaded Lead shot loads for the 20 on my Mec Grabber but not much Steel shot so "IF" you fellas have a load
you would recommend , I would Greatly appreciate you sending it my way ?

Flyndutchman ........is that 3/4 oz load of 3's in a 2 3/4" hull ? Wow !
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby flyndutchman » Tue Mar 21, 2017 2:50 pm

Exit this post and scroll down to the post on 20ga hulls. The load I use in Federal hulls is listed there with the appropriate fillers. Next go find the post on the 20ga CSD wad. Probably one or two pages back. Dave, HCK and I have listed loads and how to slit the wad. They are all published oads I am using. Dave and HCK are working on some other loads that use other powder and are not published. I'm impatiently waiting the return of the PT 2090 wad from BPI. It makes the best patterning 3/4 oz load of #3's I have shot. The load with the CSD wad uses more filler and doesn't pattern quite as good but still kills ducks. All the loads use A-Steel powder and cycle my SA-08 with the heavy gas ring installed, nice since I don't have to change if I want to shoot some 3" loads. I use the same load with #5 steel for chucker hunting and for swatter loads.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby fowledlogic » Tue Mar 21, 2017 4:09 pm

dutchman, I spoke with Jonathan at BP yesterday. They're expecting a shipment of PT wads in a few weeks. They'll have the PT2092 back in stock. I didn't ask about any others.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby flyndutchman » Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:45 pm

Not interested in the 2092, if I am going to load 3" hulls it will be with the RSI wad. More expensive, but a better wad in my opinion. Hope they get the 2090's. They are nice and thick and protect the barrel and choke better than any of the other 2 3/4" wads. I know the ones they had previously had quality control issues. Pin holes in the web between the powder and shot. I'll put up with sorting them for the loads and patterns they produce in my gun.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby Columbia Basin Local » Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:00 pm

Dutch,
What kind a percentage and pattern size are you getting out of what gun at 30-35 yds? Better than Kent's 3" # 3's? Not hating just curious as to why your reloading for the 20ga? Sorta like Mud said, inside 35 yds excluding wind, why bother?
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby flyndutchman » Wed Mar 22, 2017 10:30 am

There is nothing wrong with the 3" Kent load. At 1500+ 7/8oz of shot it is as good as it gets for the 20ga. I just like shooting my own loads. The 2 3/4" is economical to load. Cheaper than buying 3" factory loads. You can't buy fast 2 3/4" loads with anything bigger than 4's or 5's (Kent Upland). I'm shooting a 26" barreled SA-08 with Carlson Mod or Hevishot ER chokes. I am looking at a 22-24" pattern with 90%+ in that circle at 30 yards with the ER choke. There are 114 pellets in my 3/4oz load of #3's. It is really nice in the recoil department also. I'm a confessed recoil wimp.
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Re: 20 Gauge

Postby goosepit2007 » Wed Mar 22, 2017 1:08 pm

I am with flyndutchman, those 23/4 oz loads are cheap to load and get the job done with no problems what so ever, plus those fed paper base hulls that I use are very easy to get for free!! the recoil is very light and with proper choke the patterns are still good enough to solid 35 yards. bigger ducks can stretch to 40 yards. but I rarely shoot that far to begin with ducks and geese all my birds are close. Even this spring our shot average is still around 35 to 38 yard range probably a lot closer on first three shots!!

the little 23/4 inch 3/4 oz loads has plenty of shot in load even with 3 shot!!

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I will add that I will be loading some 7/8 oz loads with bnp 3 inch wad just to try and see were the fps is at with proper psi readings!! asteel , lil gun and .410 is on the powdr list to test for sure maybe even few others, that is if I have time!!
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