Nelliboy, thank you for your help! Very helpful, I didn't want to buy both long lines and drops. But I think to get into this sport, I need to buy a lead melter and do what works and that would keep the cost down. I like to make my own stuff anyway.
>> I used mini muffin pans to make the individual weights and standard sized muffin pans for the larger long line weights.
A standard pan is about 3 1/2 ounces. I have been buying 4 & 6 oz Texas rigs for my puddle ducks. So are you saying 3 1/2 is enough for Erie in deeper water? Or are you just putting more weights on each end, like 5 or 6 of the muffin weights depending on the conditions?
Do you put out several long lines and then drop singles around to make it look better?
>> Goldeneye and buffie decoys are all you really need as you can pull just about any diver with them.
I read somewhere that the buffies should not be on a long line? Does that make any sense?
Given that I have 6 Buffies, 6 Canvasback and 6 Bluebills - What you you do, intermix them the same line? Intermix the Canvas and Blues, separate lines? I have no idea. If I got another dozen, what would you buy - Goldeneyes?
>>For the number of decoys you have and the size boat you are running it might help if you got slotted bags to keep them looking good longer.
Thanks, they cost a lot more and I was wondering why, I thought it was more about long lines getting tangled. Never thought about the paint issue. I bought those Avian-X decoys black ducks and honkers (http://www.rogerssportinggoods.com/avia ... 18784.html
) They are like velvet, not just plastic, I can't imagine how they will hold up, they look great but not ready to get dirty.
I didn't see this when I posted earlier. The up side to running the 400# mono is that you will be able to clip your individual weights on and run them in swallow water. Simply unclipping the lighter weights and clipping the decoys onto your long lines....allows you to hunt a lot more areas with your rig.
In terms of weight I will add a couple of those mini muffins if I run singles in a chop. Lines I run a few pounds worth of weight. I have a 5 gallon bucket full of weighs in my boat so I can simply grab more depending on the wind.
I have found very little to no difference with running lines and singles. Divers: I normally in deeper water only run lines. Holding your fingers out in front of you is a good spread to start with. Once you get better at running lines start making a U shape with them.
Mallards I run lines also, really the only time I run individual long lines on singles in deep water is when I have layouts out, I will spread the singles out around the boats.
Here's the scoop with buffies, they LOVE to sit with their own. If you run a short line of them or simply put them all on the down wind end of your line be fully prepared for them to sit there. It doesn't matter about being on a line in my experience.
I would run either a couple of short lines.....90' the first three on your line make sure they are buffies. Space them about 5-6' then leave a little space and mix cans and bills leaving a few feet in between them. Same thing with the second line. Place them about 10-15 yards apart running straight up and down the wind assuming you are layout boat hunting. If and when you buy another dozen assuming you want to kill goldeneyes I would buy a dozen of them. They are bright, highly visible and just about every diver will come into them
. ****NOTE**** goldeneyes are extremely racist,you will get the best performance out of those decoys to separate them about 20-30 yards and running a pod or a line of only GE. They will light right there and they will bank hard when they do.
****note**** you have two options with those slotted bags. If you plan on long lining a lot you can set you lines up in the yard. Space your decoys out and place them in the 12 slot attached to the master lines. If you like this idea make sure the bags you buy have a pocket on them so you can put your weights and 25' dropper sections in it. Hope that makes sense. When you are ready to set you want to be able to drop one weight simply grab each decoy in order and pitch it put, proceed to drag the weight that still in the boat and position the lines.
If you plan on hunting say 70% wade able water and 30% deep water the only benefit you will get out of slotted bags is that you will save your paint of your decoys. I personally don't worry about it and bag them in large bags. When we pull up to start lining we will unwrap decoys stacking them on the up wind side of the boat (as we drift) make sure you toss the clips in the water than then it's as simple as clipping and tossing, until I drag it into position.
There's a lot of information for you, most you will probably never remember but feel free to pm if you have any more in the future as I hunt Erie also.
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