ditchbanker wrote:All weapons are military weapons. Not true...although if I were in the Military, I would certainly use ANYTHING handy to dispatch my target
Name a weapon that has been used to kill something that hasn't been used as a weapon of war at some point. Flintlocks, bbguns, knives, autos, O/Us, pumps, rifles and pistols. Swords and even wrist rockets have been used in uprisings and outright war. Those that revolt are doing EXACTLY what you said you would certainly do.
Responsibility is transient no matter who you are. Okay...so we should stop using personal responsibility as a rationale for owning/operating deadly tools???...I think the NRA would choke on that idea
What I'm saying is that no matter how responsible someone might feel they are 24/7. Folks get old, go mad, are forgetful and sometimes become enraged because they walk into a rape scenario featuring their daughter... When it comes to changes in everyone's life we can't control everything -- when it comes to relying on our better angels when we see someone hurting the ones we love? All bets are off - because the better angels take a back seat.
That is life. Not acknowledging issues as those listed above doesn't make them go away.
Certainly the average guy or gal doesn't need to be playing with weapons of mass destruction. Firearms by their nature are not designed for that activity. True enough, most are not...but let us say you knew some wackadoodle hell bent on killing as many schoolkids as he could in the shortest amount of time possible before killing himself...and this particular wackadoodle decided a .223 was the best caliber to use for the task...then he has at his disposal a Ruger No 1 (designed for hnting) or a Bushmaster (designed for the efficiency of cycling as many rounds as possible in the shortest amount of time...even as a semi-auto...which weapon do you think the wackadoodle chooses to accomplish his task???...
It doesn't matter what he uses. He's a whackadoodle as you pointed out. He could just as easily run a bunch of school kids down at recess or just do what works for segregationists and use a bomb. The sad net of that is that you can't stop crazy people from being crazy any more than you can stop them from making crazy decisions....
You might as well demand that acids and bases be made illegal as well since they can be used to hurt people. How bout furniture and fatty food? They kill a lot of folks as well, many more than crazies do and regularly as well.
Heart disease: 597,689
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 138,080
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 129,476
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 120,859
Alzheimer's disease: 83,494
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,476
Influenza and Pneumonia: 50,097
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 38,364
There's the top 10 ways to die in the USA. I don't see massacres on there.
So you don't believe that the citizen should have access to same firearms that law enforcement uses? You realize that in the past 10 years the number of people killed by the police (5000+) outnumbers the soldiers killed in the Iraq war? Yeah...police are paid to protect those of us against those who dont follow the rules...sort of a fundamental concept of safety and protection...not of destruction
When you pay for a meal is it always great? The exchange of money for services doesn't mean anything in terms of what you are going to get. If you believe that every shooting is legitimate then you are confusing a shooting that has been justified by the current rules of engagement - with actual justice. There is a lot of grass between the two.
Worldwide, how many times were US citizens killed last year by a terrorist? 17 total...Domestically, how may US Citizens were killed last by terrorists (or anybody else)
Again, it doesn't matter. The response to kill by the police has nothing to do with what crazy or enraged people might do.
You are at least 29 times more likely to be killed by a cop than a terrorist. Is that the America you want? YES
Then you see your safety as more important than your essential liberty (or for that matter - anyone else's). Go read up on some Benjamin Franklin.
I think that if the public has access to the same weapons that that law enforcement has - and is allowed to carry - that the continual deployment of SWAT teams to round up deadbeat dads and incomprehensible no knock warrants are practices that would go to the wayside. Also, the kill rate of our fellow citizens would fall. Some of our fellow citizens need to die...and we;ve empowered LEO to do that for us so that we do not have anarchy and need to do it ourselves
The current background search already determines if the person purchasing a gun is a threat. If they are they can't buy.
So having folks that can obtain a firearm legitimately carrying wouldn't be anarchy at all.
I would rather have the folks that police would kill behind bars - and the criminals behinds bars that don't need to be there released. Pot growers and smokers really don't need to be doing a quarter or dime in prison.
Call it what you want but when we're being killed at a greater rate than our soldiers in a war zone - it sure isn't freedom.Sure it is...because we have Democratically empowered them to do so...on our behalf...
No, we haven't agreed to our protectors killing fellow citizens at a rate faster than armed Islamic holy warriors. Nor have we agreed that the militarization of our local police forces is needed or necessary. The US government is pushing that by provided price breaks or outright giving police departments access to military gear.
And no. They aren't keeping us safe - they are killing us.Some of us...and sometimes the wrong ones
That should weigh heavily on all of us. If our own state is a murderous, and we turn a blind eye, we really don't have much in the way of credibility when we tell other countries that we expect them to behave better.
The Wild West rule of the individual is a romantic notion...although it was never as prevalent as our movies would have us believe...
No one is asking for the Wild West. In fact, the idea that a beat cop who is hired because they are average intelligence or below (so they don't quit their jobs once they get bored) can be charged with the responsibility to be judge, jury and executioner is a laughable proposition. But that's what we have and it's closer to the Wild West than you might want to accept.
The Taliban would like not only the Middle East but all the rest of the world to either die or comply with Gods Order (their definition of God...not Yours or Mine)...Anarchy is a slippery slope my friend.
I don't fear anarchy. I fear subjugation. And with every step the state takes to gain more power and visibility into our lives, it gets closer to publicly being the Big Brother it already is privately.
All this for a bowl of borscht.