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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby 3200 man » Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:30 pm

Watch out Matt , you're walking a fine line ? You could easily fall on the wrong side of the right guys ! :lol3:

I'm with you tho , playing the middle with both ends of this Debate ! :thumbsup:

Hopefully something Good will come out of it ? :huh: :help: :help: :help:
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Postby clampdaddy » Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:51 pm

3200 man wrote:Watch out Matt , you're walking a fine line ? You could easily fall on the wrong side of the right guys ! :lol3:

I'm with you tho , playing the middle with both ends of this Debate ! :thumbsup:

Hopefully something Good will come out of it ? :huh: :help: :help: :help:


I try to keep an open mind about things that I don't know a whole hell of a lot about. :thumbsup:
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Mon Feb 24, 2014 7:52 pm

slowshooter wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:
friedcoot wrote:
Nabs wrote:And before we go off on the subsidy BS, I will point out that our state does not subsidize farming.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the Williamson act is not a subsidy?
http://www.conservation.ca.gov/dlrp/lca ... Index.aspx

Or, the cost of discounted water compared to residential and industrial use is not a subsidy?

Or, tax reduced free fuel is not a subsidy?

http://www.sco.ca.gov/ardtax_gastax_faq_gen.html

The state has not been funding the Williamson Act for over 5 years. Therefore, there is no "subsidy" there. Even if there was, why should someone who owns 500 ac pay the same percentage of taxes on that property as someone who lives in the city? They don't utilize all the city/state services that property taxes are designed to fund.
There also is no such thing as "discounted" water. The water that farmers receive is unrefined. When residential and industrial users pay more for water, they are paying for the treatments and refinements to make it usable and potable. You want to drink irrigation water? Go ahead.
And finally, taxes placed on fuel are to maintain roads, etc. Why should farmers pay a surcharge on fuel to maintain roads when their equipment never sees the pavement?


Using your own logic, taxpayers aren't using your equipment or land to profit. Why should they fund you?


Because they consume the food that farmers produce and there may not be any of it will be more expensive because of government overregulation and manipulation of prices. Do you have any idea how much of the produce available in your local grocery store is locally grown? No. Of course you don't because you talk out of your azz about things you're totally ignorant about.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby friedcoot » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:27 pm

Mallards Only wrote:[ Do you have any idea how much of the produce available in your local grocery store is locally grown? .


Please, could you define" local" for this ignorant consumer of farm grown produce?
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby DuckFan » Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:51 pm

From another site - copy of a message to share the news from Sep's hunting and fishing show:

for the guys that missed it they can catch it here..if you want to jump past all the guys giving up the fishing x's and the guides pimping their wares.... go to minute 63.20

They also have some scoop on the game warden shooting...

http://www.seps.com/archived_shows-n.html

Both Sep and Bill Carr with western outdoor news blasts him good... this is a must listen.....






Worth your time to listen
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby duckdoa » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:05 pm

Local is commonly known as within 150 miles of your home. At that point one can call themselves a locavore! Another label someone we need?
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby friedcoot » Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:26 pm

duckdoa wrote:Local is commonly known as within 150 miles of your home. At that point one can call themselves a locavore! Another label someone we need?


Really? Are you sure? Walmart sells "local" produce that they define as from the State their store is in. Safeway says "within 24 hours from field". No one can honestly define what "local" means because there are no government laws regulating that definition. So, I guess I'm just an ignorant consumer of "local" produce. Which by the way, has nothing to do with the thread but thats how most threads wind up here anyway.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:44 am

There is no definition of "local." Obviously, some produce will be obtained from farms that are closer than others depending on store location, climate, etc. You're not gonna find artichokes in Chico from down the street just like you're not gonna find Kiwis, almonds and peaches from a farm in Bakersfield at a store in So Cal. But, stores buy from farms that are as close in proximity as they can as it saves them money and they are able to get fresher and better quality produce. You're all probably about to find out how much of your local produce is obtained locally when the supply chain literally "dries up" this year due to water shortages and inability to grow a crop. Then, everybody will be bitching about higher prices.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby slowshooter » Tue Feb 25, 2014 10:58 am

DuckFan wrote:From another site - copy of a message to share the news from Sep's hunting and fishing show:

for the guys that missed it they can catch it here..if you want to jump past all the guys giving up the fishing x's and the guides pimping their wares.... go to minute 63.20

They also have some scoop on the game warden shooting...

http://www.seps.com/archived_shows-n.html

Both Sep and Bill Carr with western outdoor news blasts him good... this is a must listen.....


Worth your time to listen


That was a great listen. My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby duckdoa » Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:53 am

There are several definitions of local, the distance is normally 100 to 200 miles from your residence depending on your urban or suburban location. I guess Wikipedia and Dictionary.com just pulled their numbers along with other well respected authors out of their arse according to some people who speak first with doing any research, reading or at the least Googling it up....
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby clampdaddy » Tue Feb 25, 2014 12:27 pm

DuckFan wrote: .....They also have some scoop on the game warden shooting...

Oh man, that's the first I have heard about it. I went to high school with Bob and knew him well. He's definitely one of the good 'uns. He is (was at the time anyway) a hunter, ambitious, and smart as a whip. I hope that one day he makes it to a place of power within the DFW. If he does we'll be in good shape.

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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Tommyo » Tue Feb 25, 2014 4:39 pm

In the next round of complaints about Suton it may be wise to select a senate or assembly committee. Of course give the makeup of such committees it may be equally unwise....... :sad:
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby High Sierras » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:02 pm

Mallards Only wrote:
slowshooter wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:
friedcoot wrote:
Nabs wrote:And before we go off on the subsidy BS, I will point out that our state does not subsidize farming.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And the Williamson act is not a subsidy?
http://www.conservation.ca.gov/dlrp/lca ... Index.aspx

Or, the cost of discounted water compared to residential and industrial use is not a subsidy?

Or, tax reduced free fuel is not a subsidy?

http://www.sco.ca.gov/ardtax_gastax_faq_gen.html

The state has not been funding the Williamson Act for over 5 years. Therefore, there is no "subsidy" there. Even if there was, why should someone who owns 500 ac pay the same percentage of taxes on that property as someone who lives in the city? They don't utilize all the city/state services that property taxes are designed to fund.
There also is no such thing as "discounted" water. The water that farmers receive is unrefined. When residential and industrial users pay more for water, they are paying for the treatments and refinements to make it usable and potable. You want to drink irrigation water? Go ahead.
And finally, taxes placed on fuel are to maintain roads, etc. Why should farmers pay a surcharge on fuel to maintain roads when their equipment never sees the pavement?


Using your own logic, taxpayers aren't using your equipment or land to profit. Why should they fund you?


Because they consume the food that farmers produce and there may not be any of it <or it> will be more expensive because of government overregulation and manipulation of prices. Do you have any idea how much of the produce available in your local grocery store is locally grown? No. Of course you don't because you talk out of your azz about things you're totally ignorant about.

Ooops, correction there MO. Taxpayers BUY the food that farmers produce. Whether it's from your 500 acre farm or some place in Chile or Mexico, until you start giving it away, the taxpayers get nothing from your land and machinery for the subsidy they have to pay. So Slow's question remains unanswered... Why should they fund you? When they still have to buy the food you produce (as in, pay for it once as a forced subsidy, then pay for it again when and if they decide to buy it for consumption)???


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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:49 pm

Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby marsh-mello » Tue Feb 25, 2014 7:30 pm

Mallards Only wrote:Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.


At least at the register we can pick and choose and we can walk away and buy something else...perhaps rice from China if they want to sell it to us cheaper LMAO! Then there is the age old issue we can finally address regarding who cares about the price of rice in China.

Now stop blowing up another post with your redundant political extremism and big business subsidy protectionist saber rattling. This is/was an important issue to many folks here. Comment on that and save the rest of your nonsense for the next think alike Stepford TEA party gathering.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:53 am

marsh-mello wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.


At least at the register we can pick and choose and we can walk away and buy something else...perhaps rice from China if they want to sell it to us cheaper LMAO! Then there is the age old issue we can finally address regarding who cares about the price of rice in China.

Now stop blowing up another post with your redundant political extremism and big business subsidy protectionist saber rattling. This is/was an important issue to many folks here. Comment on that and save the rest of your nonsense for the next think alike Stepford TEA party gathering.

Hello Pot, this is the kettle....

As usual, when faced with the facts and when you're clearly losing the argument, resort to name-calling and diversion from the actual discussion at hand in an attempt at swaying people to your side. You might want to attend one of those reading comprehension courses that some of your other cronies on this forum need. Then go back and try to defend your statement with one of those so-called "political extremism" posts.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby marsh-mello » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:03 am

Mallards Only wrote:
marsh-mello wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.


At least at the register we can pick and choose and we can walk away and buy something else...perhaps rice from China if they want to sell it to us cheaper LMAO! Then there is the age old issue we can finally address regarding who cares about the price of rice in China.

Now stop blowing up another post with your redundant political extremism and big business subsidy protectionist saber rattling. This is/was an important issue to many folks here. Comment on that and save the rest of your nonsense for the next think alike Stepford TEA party gathering.

Hello Pot, this is the kettle....

As usual, when faced with the facts and when you're clearly losing the argument, resort to name-calling and diversion from the actual discussion at hand in an attempt at swaying people to your side. You might want to attend one of those reading comprehension courses that some of your other cronies on this forum need. Then go back and try to defend your statement with one of those so-called "political extremism" posts.


No one is losing any debate here your just a crazed person blowing up another thread by forgetting what the original issue is and interjecting your extremist politics into everything. :yes: :yes: :yes:
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:21 am

You're too ignorant to even see when you're losing.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby High Sierras » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:47 pm

High Sierras wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:
slowshooter wrote:Using your own logic, taxpayers aren't using your equipment or land to profit. Why should they fund you?


Because they consume the food that farmers produce and there may not be any of it <or it> will be more expensive because of government overregulation and manipulation of prices. Do you have any idea how much of the produce available in your local grocery store is locally grown? No. Of course you don't because you talk out of your azz about things you're totally ignorant about.

Ooops, correction there MO. Taxpayers BUY the food that farmers produce. Whether it's from your 500 acre farm or some place in Chile or Mexico, until you start giving it away, the taxpayers get nothing from your land and machinery for the subsidy they have to pay. So Slow's question remains unanswered... Why should they fund you? When they still have to buy the food you produce (as in, help pay for it once as a forced subsidy, then pay for it again when and if they decide to buy it for consumption)???

Is your nose starting to itch just a little? Feel something up in there???

Mallards Only wrote:Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.

So the best justification you can come up with for forcing the taxpayers to keep giving you a handout is "Because they have to, one way or another."

And you don't you see the difference between forcing taxpayers to support you via taxes and giving them the freedom to choose your product over the stuff shipped in from Chile or Mexico? Based on your answer, I'd have to say deep down you don't really believe in giving people the freedom to choose what they spend their money on... just so long as the taxpayers keep on supporting you to the level you expect, you're fine with the system remaining as is. Yet you rail against those 'other' subsidy recipients who are too lazy to go out and make it on their own. Interesting double standard.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Tommyo » Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:30 pm

so do you guys wish run interference for suton by this continual thread drift? :hi:
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby Mallards Only » Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:40 pm

High Sierras wrote:
High Sierras wrote:
Mallards Only wrote:
slowshooter wrote:Using your own logic, taxpayers aren't using your equipment or land to profit. Why should they fund you?


Because they consume the food that farmers produce and there may not be any of it <or it> will be more expensive because of government overregulation and manipulation of prices. Do you have any idea how much of the produce available in your local grocery store is locally grown? No. Of course you don't because you talk out of your azz about things you're totally ignorant about.

Ooops, correction there MO. Taxpayers BUY the food that farmers produce. Whether it's from your 500 acre farm or some place in Chile or Mexico, until you start giving it away, the taxpayers get nothing from your land and machinery for the subsidy they have to pay. So Slow's question remains unanswered... Why should they fund you? When they still have to buy the food you produce (as in, help pay for it once as a forced subsidy, then pay for it again when and if they decide to buy it for consumption)???

Is your nose starting to itch just a little? Feel something up in there???

Mallards Only wrote:Because they will pay for it either way, one way or another--either in taxes or at the register.

So the best justification you can come up with for forcing the taxpayers to keep giving you a handout is "Because they have to, one way or another."

And you don't you see the difference between forcing taxpayers to support you via taxes and giving them the freedom to choose your product over the stuff shipped in from Chile or Mexico? Based on your answer, I'd have to say deep down you don't really believe in giving people the freedom to choose what they spend their money on... just so long as the taxpayers keep on supporting you to the level you expect, you're fine with the system remaining as is. Yet you rail against those 'other' subsidy recipients who are too lazy to go out and make it on their own. Interesting double standard.

Here's what I think. As long as the government over-regulates the farming industry and mettles in and manipulates the commodities markets subjecting farmers to potential disastrous returns and failure, there should be some protective mechanisms in place. Otherwise, you'll see a nation of farmers who say "screw it," it's not worth the risk of potentially losing everything they have. They'll either sell the farm or not grow anything at all. Then, the nation will be without produce, milk and commodities to compete with foreign markets and the US will be even more dependent on other countries. I'll make you a deal. You get rid of welfare and food stamps and I'll be the first to champion getting rid of the USDA subsidies. It still doesn't compensate for govt manipulation but it's a compromise I could live with.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby nut4duck » Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:01 pm

DuckFan wrote:
My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.


Agreed Rick, but you have to remember, Sutton has been appointed vice president of the Pacific Flyway of the Audubon. He will also serve as executive director of Audubon California. Keeping his track record and his personal agenda in mind it is very possible he might try and change the thoughts and direction of the Audubon (lead ban already)..We have to keep a eye on this guy in everything he does. He should not a fan of any sportsmen in this state..
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby DuckFan » Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:59 pm

nut4duck wrote:
DuckFan wrote:
My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.


Agreed Rick, but you have to remember, Sutton has been appointed vice president of the Pacific Flyway of the Audubon. He will also serve as executive director of Audubon California. Keeping his track record and his personal agenda in mind it is very possible he might try and change the thoughts and direction of the Audubon (lead ban already)..We have to keep a eye on this guy in everything he does. He should not a fan of any sportsmen in this state..




Actually, that was Slowshooter that wrote that statement....responding to a post by me:

slowshooter wrote:
DuckFan wrote:From another site - copy of a message to share the news from Sep's hunting and fishing show:

for the guys that missed it they can catch it here..if you want to jump past all the guys giving up the fishing x's and the guides pimping their wares.... go to minute 63.20

They also have some scoop on the game warden shooting...

http://www.seps.com/archived_shows-n.html

Both Sep and Bill Carr with western outdoor news blasts him good... this is a must listen.....


Worth your time to listen


That was a great listen. My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.
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Re: President of our F&G Commission – Legal Hunting and Poac

Postby nut4duck » Thu Feb 27, 2014 7:05 am

DuckFan wrote:
nut4duck wrote:
DuckFan wrote:
My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.


Agreed Rick, but you have to remember, Sutton has been appointed vice president of the Pacific Flyway of the Audubon. He will also serve as executive director of Audubon California. Keeping his track record and his personal agenda in mind it is very possible he might try and change the thoughts and direction of the Audubon (lead ban already)..We have to keep a eye on this guy in everything he does. He should not a fan of any sportsmen in this state..




Actually, that was Slowshooter that wrote that statement....responding to a post by me:

slowshooter wrote:
DuckFan wrote:From another site - copy of a message to share the news from Sep's hunting and fishing show:

for the guys that missed it they can catch it here..if you want to jump past all the guys giving up the fishing x's and the guides pimping their wares.... go to minute 63.20

They also have some scoop on the game warden shooting...

http://www.seps.com/archived_shows-n.html

Both Sep and Bill Carr with western outdoor news blasts him good... this is a must listen.....


Worth your time to listen


That was a great listen. My only criticism would be Sep trying to pull the Audubon society in and putting them in the same bucket as Sutton and the HSUS. The Audubon society may not do things that lead lovers (which I am as well) may like. But they are a long way from operating with an agenda that is as unethical and sneaky. The HSUS is a criminal organization that does nothing but fleece elderly "cat ladies". Sutton must go.


Yep I see that now... I'm kind of new at this stuff.. Thanks.. :thumbsup:

My reply still stands the same to whoever I was trying to respond too... :fingerhead: ... we got to watch this clown Sutton IMO... :mad:
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