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New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby golferboy426 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:16 am

NY Senate, the only firewall, passes a bill that will prohibit magazines greater than 7. Within 1 year you will either have to sell, destroy or turn in any mag greater than 7 or be a criminal. It is not hyperbole. It's a done deal. The NY House which is heavily Dem will easily pass it. This restriction makes nearly every semi auto handgun suitable/legal for only a single shot use in one year. BTW any shotgun with an extended pistol grip like the turkey guns are now considered assault weapons if I read it correctly as AW's need to have only 1 "bad" characteristic which includes the grip
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Postby sbeIICT » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:00 am

good thing i use my duck gun as a turkey gun for spring NY season. :no: :hammer:
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 11:26 am

i think it says the 10 round mags will be grandfathered that are already owned...BUT that they may never hold more than 7 rounds..


the guns wont be illegal...its the magazines... that cant be transfered or bought new after the law becomes effective
so if they stop you and check your weapon and it has 8 or more rounds in it, you get a ticket.

i wonder if the law is valid RIGHT NOW... i am thinking not, because the house has to act...right


10 rounds, 7 rounds, even if they did 5 rounds.... they are only punishing law abiding people.

it would have been worse for sure if the republicans didnt negotiate like crazy

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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby golferboy426 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:22 pm

Regarding the 7 round issue

I pasted this out of a news article. I do not have access to the bill

Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds and manufactured before 1994, which are currently legal, would have to be turned over to authorities or sold out of state within one year. If a magazine has a capacity between eight and 10, it would have to be retrofitted to only hold seven rounds.

If true the "only load 7" option does not exist
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:58 pm

golferboy426 wrote:Regarding the 7 round issue

I pasted this out of a news article. I do not have access to the bill

Magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds and manufactured before 1994, which are currently legal, would have to be turned over to authorities or sold out of state within one year. If a magazine has a capacity between eight and 10, it would have to be retrofitted to only hold seven rounds.

If true the "only load 7" option does not exist



here is the laws TEXT concerning what you are talking about

Ammunition

Section 38 of the bill amends Penal Law � 265.00(23) to ban all large
capacity magazines that have the capacity to hold more than ten
rounds of ammunition including those that were grandfathered in under
the original assault weapons ban and creates a new ban on magazines
that hold more than seven rounds of ammunition. Magazines that can
hold more than seven rounds but not more than ten rounds and are
currently possessed will be grandfathered in, but may only contain
seven rounds of ammunition. Exceptions are made for large capacity
magazines that are curios or relics.


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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby golferboy426 » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:05 pm

Looks to me like they can be retrofitted to hold only 7. I don't think it means you can only load 7 but be capable of more. Would/will be an interesting test case
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby sbeIICT » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:10 pm

toolmaker wrote:the guns wont be illegal...its the magazines... that cant be transfered or bought new after the law becomes effective
so if they stop you and check your weapon and it has 8 or more rounds in it, you get a ticket.



Meant I dont have a pistol grip stocked turkey gun.
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:13 pm

golferboy426 wrote:Looks to me like they can be retrofitted to hold only 7. I don't think it means you can only load 7 but be capable of more. Would/will be an interesting test case



further reading of the summary of the bill yeilded this:

The state's previous ban against high capacity magazines faltered
because it was impossible to tell the difference between magazines
manufactured before or after the effective date of the ban. This bill
prohibits possession of all magazines with the capacity to contain
more than ten rounds, regardless of the date of manufacture. Going
forward, individuals will only be able to obtain magazines that can
contain up to seven rounds. Those who currently possess magazines
that can contain more than seven rounds will only be permitted to
maintain up to seven rounds in such magazines.


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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:18 pm

sbeIICT wrote:
toolmaker wrote:the guns wont be illegal...its the magazines... that cant be transfered or bought new after the law becomes effective
so if they stop you and check your weapon and it has 8 or more rounds in it, you get a ticket.



Meant I dont have a pistol grip stocked turkey gun.



youd be OK the PISTOL GRIP call out doesnt apply to semi auto shotguns!!

S. 2230 19 A. 2388
(B) A SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN THAT HAS AT LEAST ONE OF THE FOLLOWING
CHARACTERISTICS:
(I) A FOLDING OR TELESCOPING STOCK;
(II) A THUMBHOLE STOCK;
(III) A SECOND HANDGRIP OR A PROTRUDING GRIP THAT CAN BE HELD BY THE
NON-TRIGGER HAND;
(IV) A FIXED MAGAZINE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF SEVEN ROUNDS;
(V) AN ABILITY TO ACCEPT A DETACHABLE MAGAZINE; OR


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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby sbeIICT » Tue Jan 15, 2013 1:51 pm

Oh perfect now I have to buy something else.
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Wed Jan 16, 2013 10:42 am

it totally blows my mind that the anti gunners concentrate on the most rediculous points, when they push their hate agenda.

like as if a pistol grip on the front or the buttstock of a gun makes it any more deadly!!!!

like a ruger mini 30 is 100% more deadly than a stamped piece of junk ak-47..

next they will ban any gun that is black....

I am beside myself with the hypocricy of these new fast track gun laws in ny.

we fought two world wars and Korea and we killed hundreds of thousands of soldiers with guns that didnt have pistol grips...

all this new law does is make Ruger Firearms more popular

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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby golferboy426 » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:33 am

another example a NY stupidity. I have 2 Wildley's made here in CT Both are engraved. These are semi auto 45 winchester magnum's. These are high quality heavy guns worth well North of 1500 each I had planned to send one to my brother in upstate NY. Because it weighs more than 50oz it gets considered an assault weapon. I think as far as we can tell the law is effectively immediately for most clauses so looks like he can't get it.

Here's a link to Wildey if you are curious what an assault weapon looks like

http://www.wildeyguns.com/wildey.html
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Re: New York to basically outlaw all semi-auto handguns

Postby toolmaker » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:45 am

golferboy426 wrote:another example a NY stupidity. I have 2 Wildley's made here in CT Both are engraved. These are semi auto 45 winchester magnum's. These are high quality heavy guns worth well North of 1500 each I had planned to send one to my brother in upstate NY. Because it weighs more than 50oz it gets considered an assault weapon. I think as far as we can tell the law is effectively immediately for most clauses so looks like he can't get it.

Here's a link to Wildey if you are curious what an assault weapon looks like

http://www.wildeyguns.com/wildey.html



I have a bunch of winchester 45 magnum ammo... plus some 9 mm magnum ammo for Wildeys. My buddy used to work for them in Cheshire and the next place they moved to ( i forget now), I have shot them , and they were pretty dang accurate!! he redesigned some bushing on the gun i think... this is going back 20 years or more.

i would think they would have gone up in value more than that by now.

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