I have to admit your rant against progression/ Liberal forward thinking made me laugh.
This country was founded on progressiveness and became the greatest nation on this planet because of progression. I guess in your perfect little Idaho world … everyone should own a couple of slaves, women couldn’t vote, there would be no child labor laws, corporations would run amuck and we would be a nation of vigilantly justice.
If you think liberal government tries to tell you what to do … what do you think when conservatives try to tell every single person in this country what they can and can’t do with their bodies (abortion), what do you think when conservatives try to impose their religion on everyone (no matter what their religion is or if they are religious at all), what do you think about a government that tells you you can’t make your own end of life decisions if you are terminally ill? BTW … Liberals are often the ones that fight for clean air, water and land which are the very things we and the animals we hunt need.
Additionally, you mention returning to the free market … there are no free markets (that are legal). The only industries that operate “freely” are illegal drugs and prostitution every other industry in this country and around the world is subsidized in one capacity or another. Some of the biggest benefactors of government largess are the timber, mining , farming and ranching industries the very industries that made Idaho what it is. It’s funny how people btich about other people getting handouts but have nothing to say about their own.
If you really think that because Boise passed a smoking ban that is a signal to move elsewhere … I would like to suggest you move to Syria (I think it‘s much closer to your non-progressive utopia than the USA is).
Mean Gene - anywhere in SW Idaho and you won't go wrong. Idaho is a great state with lots to offer. I would suggest taking a week or two and coming up here on vacation and checking it out.
idgator wrote:I apologize in the above response I listed waveslider and that was actually a response to cutm jack. Sorry about that.
idgator wrote:Swanpig - (that's an interesting name by the way) unfortunately for you ... you don't get to trade me. I'm here and I plan on staying for a looooong time, but thank for the warm fuzzy feeling.
waveslider - I get it now, you don't want any one telling you what to do (especially if you disagree with them politically or otherwise), but you have no problem telling everyone else what they should do. That's a bit hypocritical don't you think?
Now you're speaking for the founding fathers ... if you don't mind me asking how exactly do you know what they think and how exactly are you able to channel them? BTW when the founding fathers created this country and memorialized the essence of it with the constitution they did so with the ability to amend it because they knew the constitution was not perfect and allowed for the growth of this country and its people ... that was part of the brilliance of what they did.
Thank you, but I don't have any desire to shove anything anywhere. I think you should look up the word liberal and the word communist they are two entirely different things. However, I'm betting you watch fox news and listen to rush limbaugh so you wouldnt know that.
I would bet you do plenty of sucking on the government teet and don't even realize it.
to end on a positive note, you and I both agree you were born 100 years too late and that's ashame.
waveslider wrote:First off, you mistake me for a Republican, or worse-yet a conservative. I disagree with both sides, especially the part about gay marriage, abortion rights (or lack thereof actually), or anything the government has to say about religion. I am of the opinion that the government has absolutely NO place in any of those decisions, or the economics surrounding them. So I disagree with both.
Waveslider, no offense, but you aren’t the self-made man you think you are (I’m not saying you didn’t work hard). I promise you, throughout your life you have been the beneficiary of subsidies and government handouts … do you drive on public roads, use public bridges, enjoy the protection of the US military, do you take any tax deductions when you file your taxes, do you buy food, what does the company you work for sell and who do they sell it to … do you think that maybe your customers use subsidies and government hand out to purchase goods from you and there by support your salary with others tax dollars. Don’t think for a minute you haven’t benefitted from subsidies and government handout because you have either directly or indirectly!
Oh btw … taxes are the price you pay to live in this country and our tax rates today are near all-time lows....
I figured you were going to reply something like that. I hate to break it to you but what you pay in taxes doesn't even come close to paying for the infrastructure and military in this country, a good portion of it is part of the yearly deficits we run up along with other basic services the government supplies. I see you didn't address the other obvious subsidies you enjoy.
My point isn't to rub anyone's nose in it, my only point is that no matter how selfsufficent we think we are ... if you really, honestly look at it we aren't. We enjoy a lot of things that were built by previous generations, by the current over spending and by direct government action. This isn't to say that government is the answer to everything, it obviously isn't and as the government becomes more and more disfuncitonal it amazes me that this country can continue to prosper. And I'm not saying that hard work and individual drive isn't important because it is (it is the most important thing in determining success) ... I think you and I agree on this.
Truth be told, I wouldn't mind sitting down with you and exchanging some duck hunting stories along with a little political talk.
Take care and good luck.
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