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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:57 pm

Used to be that the Sprig ruled supreme in Calif.
Maybe still do?
Been gone a long time. Things may have changed.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby 3200 man » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:03 pm

You are so right FS , now Spoonies are king !...........I'll wait for Flocked Spoonie decoys , Gene ? :lol3:

Plain old Mallard decoys seem to do the job here , flocked that is !
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Mean Gene » Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:12 pm

3200 man wrote:You are so right FS , now Spoonies are king !...........I'll wait for Flocked Spoonie decoys , Gene ? :lol3:

Plain old Mallard decoys seem to do the job here , flocked that is !


Flocked decoys don't work. No-one should ever use them. :lol3:

I don't kill many pintail here in this part of California unless I'm hunting the refuge. This year it won't have any water so it'll be all lake and river for me. Mallards and woodies early, wigeon, a few mallards and plenty of divers later. Te lakes I hunt my have more birds than normal due to the over-all lack of water elsewhere, but that remains to be seen. I took advantage of the cool evening and drove along the river a little while ago. Saw a mallard, a woodie and an otter...not much else.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby 3200 man » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:08 am

Wow , at least you have water in the river ! When I see a local Duck flying here , it's carrying a canteen !
It's hard to see but it's there , I know ! :yes:

I have 2 Sprig field decoys in my bag that I use for color in my spread , with all the others being Mallards in and around
the water , seems to work here with all the Sprig flying over !

Maybe it's the Flash that counts ?
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby woodduck31 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:31 am

I won't put any species of decoys out for birds that I'm not targeting, except maybe mallards. I usually have a pair of mallard decoys out with whatever decoys reflect the species I want to target. We will change the spread depending on what we are seeing on the river, be it ringers, redheads, wigeon, gadwall, goldeneye or geese. Of course I've shot a lot of species of ducks over mallard decoys over the past 47 years, but I've done way better with each species, especially divers by using their own kind of decoys. Mallards are the least likely to care from my experience. I've had more mallards in my goldeneye and wigeon decoys than in my mallard decoys on the river. I won't use a decoy that's not flocked, I don't see the point. I would just as soon no one else used flocked decoys however. I've flocked just about every species of duck we have. 3200, we've even flocked shovelers.

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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:38 am

Last season I was out on a small slough 25 ft wide and two foot deep adjusting a Mojo, with my lab only 4 ft away, and a hen Spoonie landed less than 8 ft away from the two of us.
Now there's a sporting bird for you!
Spoonies used to be 'THE' Dec bird back in the late '60s before my small sump pond became the Bayshore park, and Google's back parking lot in later years.
Flocks would buzz in consistently numbering 20-30..... sharp, and beautifully plumed in the December sun.
But even as teenager I became snobbish about taking them, and held out for Cinnamon teal, Gadwall, or a late season Pintail.
The few early Dec Spoonies I did take out of pure boredom, must always have been fresh from the rice fields up north, because they seemed as good to eat as any of the more glamorous Sprig, and Mallards I might get then.
It is hard to beat a rice fed bird!

Still, hard to imagine a land where the lowly Spoonie has become King.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:41 am

woodduck31 wrote:I won't put any species of decoys out for birds that I'm not targeting, except maybe mallards. I usually have a pair of mallard decoys out with whatever decoys reflect the species I want to target. We will change the spread depending on what we are seeing on the river, be it ringers, redheads, wigeon, gadwall, goldeneye or geese. Of course I've shot a lot of species of ducks over mallard decoys over the past 47 years, but I've done way better with each species, especially divers by using their own kind of decoys. Mallards are the least likely to care from my experience. I've had more mallards in my goldeneye and wigeon decoys than in my mallard decoys on the river. I won't use a decoy that's not flocked, I don't see the point. I would just as soon no one else used flocked decoys however. I've flocked just about every species of duck we have. 3200, we've even flocked shovelers.

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Finest looking Shoveler decoys I've ever seen!

I'll bet the sight of those made 3200 man's finger twitch!
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby 3200 man » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:47 am

I just barely remember shooting one years and years ago , I would tell you the story but I have Mallard ,Sprig and Teal
on my mind right now :yes: ! I'm impressed with those flocked Spoonies though and I hope fellas depend on them more
and cover the Rice Fields with them . Thank Goodness I hunt mostly in the riparian forested areas and not close to the
sewage ponds these birds like . Even tho the great Valley Oaks along the river are being replaced by Almond trees , there
is shade for the birds I hunt . Yes , rice breast birds are common in the north....I wish hunters up there more success
with limits daily !

Our Sand Grouse hunting should be good too , this year ? :lol3:
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Mean Gene » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:11 pm

I won't put any species of decoys out for birds that I'm not targeting



Here I target "ducks"...being specific means empty sacks. :lol3: :lol3: I have noticed puddle ducks seem to prefer puddle duck decoys, and divers like divers. The one duck I have seen that's picky, at least here, are goldeneyes. Wherever you put the goldeneye decoys is where they will go to.

Late in the season I have a blast sitting on the river bank and pass shooting buffleheads and goldeneyes. Little buggers are SCREAMING up and down the river all day. Can make for some humbling experiences for sure. :lol3:
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby woodduck31 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 2:13 pm

spoonies are a pretty rare sight around here and never in good color, so I never use spoonie decoys. I don't even own more than maybe a dozen mallard decoys. All we hunted in kansas when I grew up was mallards and I just got tired of them. I'll pass them every time if there is anything else flying. Wigeon and teal taste so much better, they don't get a free pass. I do have some pintails in my spread even though it's rare for us to see them, to be honest I just have pintails because I think they look cool.

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95% of the decoys we make are sandhill cranes, all of them flocked and going to Alaska, Oklahoma, Canada, and Texas for the most part.

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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:43 pm

Wood duck,
Are you at all involved with DU in Idaho?
If you are, then you know Mond Warren.
Talking to him this spring at our banquet here in Blackfoot, he said he's beginning to see a lot more Sprig these last couple years, and I'm presuming he's talking about in western Idaho?
I haven't bagged one in several years, so they're not common over here, but I'd pick one out of a group of mixed ducks every time if given the opportunity!

I agree about the Teal being tasty little morsels.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby 3200 man » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:27 pm

Yes Teal are very tasty but eating a Rib-eye in the sky is wonderful ! They are protected here in the west but they do
fly in groups close to the ground over our decoys , OH how I wish ? Those decoys would be Deadly !
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby woodduck31 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:13 pm

I do know Mond Warren, but haven't seen him in maybe 10 years. I have worked with DU in several states with their yearly state decoy.

I've heard of there being pintails around, but for the most part that's for the field hunters and it's extremely rare that we get to do any of that, maybe once every 2 or 3 years.

I've never eaten cranes, but they say they are great. If they are better than eating speck they must be heaven. I can eat speck steaks cooked just like any good beef steak, maybe better.

probably most of the other 5% of the decoys we make are specks and they generally head for texas too and of course they are flocked.

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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:54 pm

Some of your bird's poses are the most unusual I've yet seen.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 5:55 pm

Good day scouting, and making contacts. More water and fields to hunt.
Hurry Fall!
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby woodduck31 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 6:14 pm

body language has always been a big deal to the decoys I make. I'm just not into the cookie cutter decoys.

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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:15 pm

Where you located Don?
I'm gonna have to see your showroom floor someday!
Great detail.

The work I'm doing now on my own decoys is going to have to see me thru to to end of my hunting career.
Depending on an upgrade to my spread with better (Not many more are needed) decoys, and how persuasive my DU committee members are, my flocking efforts are gonna go thru a major downgrade.
I've already seen my wife's finger going side to side, and now up and down, and I am paying attention!
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:27 pm

I see guys talking about diver duck hunting a lot.
I guess I must have closed my mind to all but Cans, Bluebills (Greater and Lesser), Redheads, and Ringnecks.
The thought of Goldeneyes and Buffleheads, and others just never were even a consideration, as I always thought of them as 'Fish ducks'.
We have scads of them on the river late in the season, but retrieving one over the ice never seems feasible at all. How do they eat? Any good?
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby woodduck31 » Fri Jul 25, 2014 7:59 pm

I'm in boise, but I don't think I'm part of the rum bumb crew:-). no showroom floor here, barely room to walk. We don't let anyone in the shop anymore, learned my lesson there. You are sure welcome to stop by the house for a visit though. we are about done with all of our plastics, maybe 2 or 3 more months, then we will only be doing custom decoys (mostly cranes) and a glass etching business that is part of my oldest boy's business.

divers eat just fine in breakfast sausage, I love it. That's what I do with all of my duck except for wigeon, wood duck and teal. I've only shot one canvasback that wasn't loaded with rice breast and it ate pretty good and shot very few pintails that weren't loaded with rice breast.

We have to be careful about decoying since we don't have a boat, it's a must to get birds in tight so the dog has an easy time. My big chessie will actually bring two in at a time if they are close on the water. We never ever pass shoot, the birds are usually within 18 yards and slow with feet down, we have a pretty good efficiency on shooting. I just love decoying ducks, I don't care what they are, the easier they decoy the better I like it.

Retrieving anything on the ice isn't feasible at all, we just don't go.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:16 pm

What exactly is rice breast, I've only seen one bird with it that I can recall.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Mean Gene » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:51 pm

Fsbirdhouse wrote:What exactly is rice breast, I've only seen one bird with it that I can recall.



Parasites in the breast meat. When you skin the bird it looks like rice kernals in the meat. From what I've read if you cook the meat good it's no big deal. Very seldom get anything like that here. It's always grossed me out though, so any time I've seen it I chuck the bird. It's common down in the Sacramento Valley, but not up here. I've only learned a little about it from a small amount of reading. Just a lesson learned. Lots of lessons learned in life, some matter, some don't. I tend to learn more by "doing" than "seeing". Have had times though, even in the recent past, where folks have warned me about something, but I didn't listen. Figured it couldn't be that bad. Then something happened, and I learned my lesson. Should have listened to the warnings and saved myself some grief I guess. :lol3: :lol3:

Speaking of lessons, it's gonna be interesting dow here this year when folks don't have their usual watering holes to hunt. We'll see how many of them have been paying attention to what kind of "alternative methods" are out there for chasing birds. Problem with most folks is they do one thing for so long it becomes ingrained in them and that's all they know. I like to experiment and think outside the box. The lessons I've learned by doing that just might come in real handy this year. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Fsbirdhouse » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:02 pm

Mean Gene wrote:
Fsbirdhouse wrote:What exactly is rice breast, I've only seen one bird with it that I can recall.



Parasites in the breast meat. When you skin the bird it looks like rice kernals in the meat. From what I've read if you cook the meat good it's no big deal. Very seldom get anything like that here. It's always grossed me out though, so any time I've seen it I chuck the bird. It's common down in the Sacramento Valley, but not up here. I've only learned a little about it from a small amount of reading. Just a lesson learned. Lots of lessons learned in life, some matter, some don't. I tend to learn more by "doing" than "seeing". Have had times though, even in the recent past, where folks have warned me about something, but I didn't listen. Figured it couldn't be that bad. Then something happened, and I learned my lesson. Should have listened to the warnings and saved myself some grief I guess. :lol3: :lol3:

Speaking of lessons, it's gonna be interesting dow here this year when folks don't have their usual watering holes to hunt. We'll see how many of them have been paying attention to what kind of "alternative methods" are out there for chasing birds. Problem with most folks is they do one thing for so long it becomes ingrained in them and that's all they know. I like to experiment and think outside the box. [color=#FF0000]The lessons I've learned by doing that just might come in real handy this year. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:[/color]

Been working on just that sort of thing myself.
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby Mean Gene » Fri Jul 25, 2014 11:13 pm

I guess the bright side is when all the folks start crying the blues their tears my fill the ponds. :lol3:
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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby blackrock » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:39 am

ImageHit the hill for some shooting. It was handgun day.....


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Re: Sweltering 90*s

Postby blackrock » Sat Jul 26, 2014 9:41 am

Imageand old rifle day. Bud likes his M1 Garand better than all the others!


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