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help for a newbie

Postby willy7072 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:28 pm

I have never hunted duck before and would like to give it a try this year. I have done a lot of research but the IDNR web site is hard to follow.
I am looking for a place to hunt but it seems like all public land has already had a lottery. Is getting on the stand by list very hard to do for places that allow walk in? and dose anyone know a place in the plainfield/wilimington area that I could try out?
I do not expect anyone to give the location of your honey hole away, im just looking for a place to learn a few things as I do not know of anyone with private land that I could ask.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:44 pm

willy7072 wrote:I have never hunted duck before and would like to give it a try this year. I have done a lot of research but the IDNR web site is hard to follow.
I am looking for a place to hunt but it seems like all public land has already had a lottery. Is getting on the stand by list very hard to do for places that allow walk in? and dose anyone know a place in the plainfield/wilimington area that I could try out?
I do not expect anyone to give the location of your honey hole away, im just looking for a place to learn a few things as I do not know of anyone with private land that I could ask.
Thanks everyone


:welcome: Which public property are you speaking of? Knock on doors. We all have. Honestly it's the best advice anyone here would give you. Tell the landowners you are starting off and need somewhere to hunt. Start now because other hunters are months ahead of you. Be prepared to hear nos like you do at the bar. I only know one person with land. It's 60 acres and the last choice. I have had six other fields within the same year by knocking.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby Feelin' Fowl » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:40 pm

And you are correct about the blind draws, BUT there are always blinds open somewhere. Many are open to anyone after a certin time (Check the sites for specifics).

Good luck out there, and :welcome:
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby luie b » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:16 pm

I suggest finding a pond or two somewhere around you and ask the landowner if you can hunt it. A tip for getting waterfowl permission is try to find a pond that's out away from good deer hunting and away from key waterfowl areas that are popular because they'll be taken already or they'll want money. If you find some out of the way ponds to hunt you could have ok duck hunting and no competition from other hunters. I'd start on google earth and then get a plat book and start asking farmers.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby riverrat47 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:33 am

It might be a little easier to give you advice if we knew a little about you...like how old are you? Have you hunted other game? How experienced a hunter are you? Where do you live? How far are you willing to travel?
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:10 pm

luie b wrote:....away from key waterfowl areas that are popular because they'll be taken already or they'll want money.


There is a reason why they are taken.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby willy7072 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 2:55 pm

Thank you all for your help. It is awesome that everyone is so willing to lend some advise to someone new like me.
To answer some of the questions, the only public places I found close to me are were Braidwood, Mazonia, and Des Plaines.
one problem is that I do not have a boat big enough for some of the places and I have missed the lottery.
I am 32 years old and the only hunt I have ever been on was a rabbit hunt with my old man 20 years ago. but I do go out shooting quite a bit (trap and target)
I am a firefighter so I am able to hunt weekdays not just weekends. Will I have a better chance of finding an open blind during the week to get on a stand by list?
I will go out and knock on some doors and ask around, do I have to have something written by a land owner if I find something?
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:18 pm

willy7072 wrote:I will go out and knock on some doors and ask around, do I have to have something written by a land owner if I find something?


http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Doc ... onCard.pdf
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby willy7072 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:38 pm

I live in the Joliet/ Plainfield area in Will county but will drive for an hour or 2 to find something.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby Skyblaster7 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:16 pm

KillerKowalski wrote:
willy7072 wrote:I will go out and knock on some doors and ask around, do I have to have something written by a land owner if I find something?


http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Doc ... onCard.pdf


no, you don't NEED to fill that out, but wouldn't hurt if you decided to with the landowner
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:31 pm

Skyblaster7 wrote:no, you don't NEED to fill that out, but wouldn't hurt if you decided to with the landowner


I can't speak for all CPOs or POs, but a decent one will request for something similar if you happen to be stopped. Also, the ILCS reads that you must have "written" permission from the landowner. Therefore, you will need something in writing. And, I believe the owner's signature now has to be notarized starting 13-14 season.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby Skyblaster7 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:43 am

KillerKowalski wrote:
Skyblaster7 wrote:no, you don't NEED to fill that out, but wouldn't hurt if you decided to with the landowner


I can't speak for all CPOs or POs, but a decent one will request for something similar if you happen to be stopped. Also, the ILCS reads that you must have "written" permission from the landowner. Therefore, you will need something in writing. And, I believe the owner's signature now has to be notarized starting 13-14 season.


That's not accurate, but I can understand why you're confused.

The landowner designee clause only pertains if someone other than the landowner wants to press charges. For example, someone who leases property or a tenant farmer. A hunter can still get verbal permission from a landowner or tenant farmer.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:48 am

Hmmm. Can't find anything that you are referring to in ILCS, any state Acts or WestLaw. Actually, the research is pointing me to IL Code of Civil Procedure for landlord law. You have a link?
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:14 pm

Interpret this if you are willing. Permission From Landowner "...the owner’s designee means anyone whom the owner designates in a written authorization and the authorization must contain (i) the legal or common description of property, (ii) the extent that the owner’s designee is authorized to make decisions regarding who is allowed to take or attempt to take any species of wildlife or parts thereof, and (iii) the owner’s notarized signature."
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby Skyblaster7 » Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:47 pm

KillerKowalski wrote:Interpret this if you are willing. Permission From Landowner "...the owner’s designee means anyone whom the owner designates in a written authorization and the authorization must contain (i) the legal or common description of property, (ii) the extent that the owner’s designee is authorized to make decisions regarding who is allowed to take or attempt to take any species of wildlife or parts thereof, and (iii) the owner’s notarized signature."



it's not what the language says as much as what the language doesn't say....

statute can be confusing, and the way this is worded is even more confusing.

If you get permission directly from the landowner, it can be verbal. If you get permission from the tenant farmer, it can be verbal. The " notarized signature" stuff applies if the tenant or owner's designee is trying to press charges on you for trespassing, damage to property, etc. The reason this came about is because if a tenant farmer told someone to get off their property, even though a landowner may have given that individual permission, then there needs to be some documentation., If you can prove you have permission in the field (I.e., Farmer Joe in the blue house told me I could hunt here), you're legal.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Sun Sep 15, 2013 8:09 pm

Skyblaster7 wrote:If you can prove you have permission in the field (I.e., Farmer Joe in the blue house told me I could hunt here), you're legal.


It would take some unskilled CPO/PO to take a story of "that guy said I could hunt here" line. Most likely, a verbal warning would be issued and removed from the property. Now, some landowners already have trespass agreements on file with their local agencies especially for those lands that have a history of hunter trespassing. A simple phone call and on view arrest with a signed trespass agreement on file isn't out of the norm.

You have a link? I'm pretty cut and dry when it comes to law and judicial precedent.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby Skyblaster7 » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:28 am

KillerKowalski wrote:
Skyblaster7 wrote:If you can prove you have permission in the field (I.e., Farmer Joe in the blue house told me I could hunt here), you're legal.


It would take some unskilled CPO/PO to take a story of "that guy said I could hunt here" line. Most likely, a verbal warning would be issued and removed from the property. Now, some landowners already have trespass agreements on file with their local agencies especially for those lands that have a history of hunter trespassing. A simple phone call and on view arrest with a signed trespass agreement on file isn't out of the norm.

You have a link? I'm pretty cut and dry when it comes to law and judicial precedent.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/il ... apterID=43

 

(t) It is unlawful for any person to trap or hunt, or intentionally or wantonly allow a dog to hunt, within or upon the land of another, or upon waters flowing over or standing on the land of another, without first obtaining permission from the owner or tenant. It shall be prima facie evidence that a person does not have permission of the owner or tenant if the person is unable to demonstrate to the law enforcement officer in the field that permission had been obtained. This provision may only be rebutted by testimony of the owner or tenant that permission had been given. Before enforcing this Section the law enforcement officer must have received notice from the owner or tenant of a violation of this Section. Statements made to the law enforcement officer regarding this notice shall not be rendered inadmissible by the hearsay
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:26 am

I see. Still getting written permission, if anything came to court, would subside any legal argument for trespassing. I always have had written permission.
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby aunt betty » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:09 am

Is it allowed to have the written permission written on toilet paper?
Can it be used?
I would seriously enjoys saying, "here is my permission slip. Sorry about that stuff on it". :lol3:
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Re: help for a newbie

Postby KillerKowalski » Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:31 am

aunt betty wrote:Is it allowed to have the written permission written on toilet paper?
Can it be used?
I would seriously enjoys saying, "here is my permission slip. Sorry about that stuff on it". :lol3:


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