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Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby quackattack1991 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:36 pm

With the weather so warm and a relatively small concentration of ducks in the area, would a scouting trip be justified? I have the itch to get out, but don't want to waste gas and time if there are no ducks around. Have any of you been scouting and if so have you had any success locating either water or ducks? My patience is wearing thin.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby goodkarmarising » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:40 pm

Seriously debating on where to go this coming weekend. Things are looking pretty dicey.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby champer196 » Mon Oct 22, 2012 2:56 pm

Beats sitting around on the internet. I'd go if I were you. But I do understand about the gas deal. My fishing season was very very modest this year in an attempt to conserve money for hunting season.

You want to scout for where the ducks MIGHT be right now. Not where they ARE NOW because we all know where that is.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby mudpack » Tue Oct 23, 2012 12:23 pm

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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby quackattack1991 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 5:15 pm

Considering passing on the weekend and getting out during the week to avoid all the madness that's about to happen. I don't fell like laying in a blind from 2am-shooting time just to have some clowns show up 45 yards away. This cold front that is about to come through is really trying to get me out though.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby duckdozer » Tue Oct 23, 2012 7:32 pm

I put on 300 miles of scouting to the North of you and didnt find one huntable duck, found little water but not 1 duck, some corrmarants, and mergs but no edible ducks.
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Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TomKat » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:39 pm

Quackattack, that is exactly what is going to happen. I have been all over Perry the last two weekends. I ran into people from Texas both times, also scouting. The river into the marsh runs into a mud flat and is impassable into west river marsh . I ran into 5 separate groups scouting in one hour on sunday. Kyle marsh is a 5 acre mud hole a long long ways from the old ramp. Save your gas and your time.

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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby quackattack1991 » Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:55 pm

TomKat wrote:Quackattack, that is exactly what is going to happen. I have been all over Perry the last two weekends. I ran into people from Texas both times, also scouting. The river into the marsh runs into a mud flat and is impassable into west river marsh . I ran into 5 separate groups scouting in one hour on sunday. Kyle marsh is a 5 acre mud hole a long long ways from the old ramp. Save your gas and your time.

Good luck buddy. I hope you like elbow to elbow sky busting.


Doesn't surprise me one bit Tomkat. I've had the same issues the last two years. A little rain would help, but it's still the same no matter how much water is around. Being back in wichita for the first time after being in Lawrence for school I was hoping to hit it hard this fall/winter. Looks like I will be waiting until I can scout some private spots and the cold runs away all the people who are sick of skyblasting 1 duck a day. I'm usually a big advocate of hunting public as it has lead to much success for me in the past, but the last few years have really gotten out of control.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TBS » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:00 am

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TomKat wrote:Quackattack, that is exactly what is going to happen. I have been all over Perry the last two weekends. I ran into people from Texas both times, also scouting. The river into the marsh runs into a mud flat and is impassable into west river marsh . I ran into 5 separate groups scouting in one hour on sunday. Kyle marsh is a 5 acre mud hole a long long ways from the old ramp. Save your gas and your time.

Good luck buddy. I hope you like elbow to elbow sky busting.


Doesn't surprise me one bit Tomkat. I've had the same issues the last two years. A little rain would help, but it's still the same no matter how much water is around. Being back in wichita for the first time after being in Lawrence for school I was hoping to hit it hard this fall/winter. Looks like I will be waiting until I can scout some private spots and the cold runs away all the people who are sick of skyblasting 1 duck a day. I'm usually a big advocate of hunting public as it has lead to much success for me in the past, but the last few years have really gotten out of control.


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Not that I enjoy beating a dead horse fellas, but take a couple moments to write our governor and KDWP$T commissioner Robin Jennison. Let them know how you feel about the decline in quality opportunities on KS public wildlife areas. Ask them why they continue to use your tax dollars to stab you in the back? Ask them if they plan to continue to abuse the resource until it is gone forever?

It only takes a moment or two, and we ALL need to voice our concerns. Until we see a change in policy, this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby mudpack » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:18 am

TBS wrote: this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.

That time may have already come...and gone.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TBS » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:58 am

mudpack wrote:
TBS wrote: this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.

That time may have already come...and gone.



I hate to say it, but you are probably right. My cousin and I went to a farm auction in Mitchell county this week. It is ground he had been renting/farming for the past 6 years and it is marginal soil at best. He stopped bidding at $3200/acre. The deer hunters from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Louisianna ran it up to $4600 before the insanity finally came to an end. Just about every farmer present walked away shaking their heads..... :huh:

I have been to atleast half a dozen land auctions in the past couple years, and not one time has a local resident of KS purchased the property. It has gotten way out of hand.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby cyoung24 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 3:39 pm

TBS wrote:
mudpack wrote:
TBS wrote: this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.

That time may have already come...and gone.



I hate to say it, but you are probably right. My cousin and I went to a farm auction in Mitchell county this week. It is ground he had been renting/farming for the past 6 years and it is marginal soil at best. He stopped bidding at $3200/acre. The deer hunters from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Louisianna ran it up to $4600 before the insanity finally came to an end. Just about every farmer present walked away shaking their heads..... :huh:

I have been to atleast half a dozen land auctions in the past couple years, and not one time has a local resident of KS purchased the property. It has gotten way out of hand.


Maybe another question that should be asked of the governor is why all these OOS people can afford to buy and lease all the land in KS not it's own residents.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby rmb79 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:21 pm

cyoung24 wrote:
TBS wrote:
mudpack wrote:
TBS wrote: this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.

That time may have already come...and gone.



I hate to say it, but you are probably right. My cousin and I went to a farm auction in Mitchell county this week. It is ground he had been renting/farming for the past 6 years and it is marginal soil at best. He stopped bidding at $3200/acre. The deer hunters from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Louisianna ran it up to $4600 before the insanity finally came to an end. Just about every farmer present walked away shaking their heads..... :huh:

I have been to atleast half a dozen land auctions in the past couple years, and not one time has a local resident of KS purchased the property. It has gotten way out of hand.


Maybe another question that should be asked of the governor is why all these OOS people can afford to buy and lease all the land in KS not it's own residents.



I am failing to see how that is the governor's issue. Pretty simple to me, the OOS are willing to pay more. What's stopping you from leasing up or buying a piece piece of ground in. KS, OK, NE or somewhere else? I think Kansas should raise OOS fees, and put thatmoney in a dedicated habitat improvement or purchase account. that way they when our pumps get stolen we can purchase or rent a new one immediately.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TBS » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:47 pm

rmb79 wrote:
cyoung24 wrote:
TBS wrote:
mudpack wrote:
TBS wrote: this issue will continue to worsen until it's too late to fix it.

That time may have already come...and gone.



I hate to say it, but you are probably right. My cousin and I went to a farm auction in Mitchell county this week. It is ground he had been renting/farming for the past 6 years and it is marginal soil at best. He stopped bidding at $3200/acre. The deer hunters from Texas, Pennsylvania, and Louisianna ran it up to $4600 before the insanity finally came to an end. Just about every farmer present walked away shaking their heads..... :huh:

I have been to atleast half a dozen land auctions in the past couple years, and not one time has a local resident of KS purchased the property. It has gotten way out of hand.


Maybe another question that should be asked of the governor is why all these OOS people can afford to buy and lease all the land in KS not it's own residents.



I am failing to see how that is the governor's issue. Pretty simple to me, the OOS are willing to pay more. What's stopping you from leasing up or buying a piece piece of ground in. KS, OK, NE or somewhere else? I think Kansas should raise OOS fees, and put thatmoney in a dedicated habitat improvement or purchase account. that way they when our pumps get stolen we can purchase or rent a new one immediately.



I agree rmb. If KS wants to pimp outdoor resources to generate revenue, they should atleast find a way to fund the management and development of public wildlife areas in an attempt to increase the carrying capacity to accommodate all the additional hunters they want to bring in. For example, Missouri has a 0.5% sales tax dedicated to wildlife management. A typical WMA in Missouri has access to more funds than all the areas in KS combined! :eek:

KS could increase licenses and fees for non-residents, sell half as many tags and STILL generate more revenue than they currently do.......AND, the best part is the stress and pressure on the resource is less and quality hunting opportunities can be restored. What a noble concept......managing the resource in an effort to maintain and enhance rather than exploit it. :beer:
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby dtcrimm » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:58 pm

TBS wrote:KS could increase licenses and fees for non-residents, sell half as many tags and STILL generate more revenue than they currently do.......AND, the best part is the stress and pressure on the resource is less and quality hunting opportunities can be restored. What a noble concept......managing the resource in an effort to maintain and enhance rather than exploit it. :beer:


I don't think the state is looking at the fee's associated with hunting licenses and tags from out of state hunters as a large source of revenue. I think they are more interested in generating revenue for local businesses (and thus taxes) from the money the out of state hunters bring.

So, if doubling your out of state fee's reduces the number of out of state hunters by half then imagine the economic impact.

I'm not saying I want more hunters to compete with on public lands, especially out of state hunters! But reducing the number of hunters coming from out of state seems like exactly the opposite of what Brownback wants, even if it would translate into more fee's.

Capital Journal - January 2011 wrote:The governor-elect said he was counting on Jennison to help elevate the hunting and fishing industries in Kansas as part of a broader economic development strategy for the state.


Source: http://cjonline.com/news/2011-01-07/brownback-names-jennison-cabinet
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby mudpack » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:05 am

dtcrimm wrote:reducing the number of hunters coming from out of state seems like exactly the opposite of what Brownback wants, even if it would translate into more fee's..


Screw what Brownback wants. The question should be: what do the Kansas residents want? After all, the Gov is OUR employee.
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Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby DanJeffandJack » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:18 am

I love the typical KS oos talk. Everyone is a diehard conservative, yet sit around and bitch about how OOS are driving up the price of land and are paying more. It's capitalism. Nothing more. What's the big deal?
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Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TomKat » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:12 am

Its just the way it is here DJJ. Its the common feeling.

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Postby DanJeffandJack » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:19 am

I mean I get that it's just the way people feel here, but I'm just saying it doesn't make any sense. Gotta pay to play. Sorry everyone thinks that because 100 yrs ago your grandfather hunted on someone's land that they automatically are entitled to it. Don't like it then they should have bought it.
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Postby TomKat » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:55 am

Someday when you actually buy a house and pay property taxes you may feel differently.

Just saying....
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Postby DanJeffandJack » Thu Nov 08, 2012 6:56 pm

TomKat wrote:Someday when you actually buy a house and pay property taxes you may feel differently.

Just saying....

Doubtful. I pay rent now. No different than making monthly payments. Besides it has nothing to do with it.

Fact is people have the money to come up here and buy it. People are pissy about it. I say tough crap. Maybe they should have bought it or chosen to do something like the guy who had enough money to come up and buy the land. I just don't see why everyone is so pissy about it.

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Postby TomKat » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:13 am

Tough crap you say? Well my young friend, lots of things are tougher.

You are entitled to your opinion, but mine is more permenant as I will live and die here. You will be moving away soon. I will be registered to vote on state issues, you will not.

And I would hazard to guess most property taxpayers who actually live here and hunt feel the way I do. Unless they are making money off of OOS hunters in some way.

BTW DJJ I did not vote for either of the dog crap candidates. Last little titty twist means nothing to me.

We are simply going to have to agree to disagree on this one. If you live to be twice the age you are now, you will have the life experience I have. You may change your mind then, and you may not.

We both know I won't be changing mine.
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Postby DanJeffandJack » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:45 am

I know good and well you voted libertarian. My comment was not directed at you, but all of the old crotchety KS hunters who think for no reason a farmer should sell them their land for half of what it's worth. Then turnaround and complain about entitlements and handouts in the government.
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Re: Is it worth a scouting trip?

Postby TomKat » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:51 am

DanJeffandJack wrote:I know good and well you voted libertarian. My comment was not directed at you, but all of the old crotchety KS hunters who think for no reason a farmer should sell them their land for half of what it's worth. Then turnaround and complain about entitlements and handouts in the government.


I hear ya. I will say that farming is sometimes a complicated business. My realitives that are full time farmers tell me that without
farm subsidies in a few short years all of our food would be produced by 4-5 large cooporations. Its very tought to make it as a small farmer now.

We all know that we dont want most of the land (food supply) in the hands of a few. Competition is good.

I am not pretending to understand farm subsidies, its a very involved subject.
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Postby DanJeffandJack » Fri Nov 09, 2012 9:34 am

TomKat wrote:If you live to be twice the age you are now, you will have the life experience I have.


Of course. Standard TK dig. Always acting like I'm some youngin' and just because your old, you know everything.
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