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Perhaps that was true back in the day, but I hunt both areas and it isn't even close now. When the Early Zone is closed, I hunt QNWR, and can tell you truthfully; the number of hunters on Quivira is less than 10% of the hunters on CB. One reason is that Quivira has about one square mile of huntable water, and CB has over 12 sq. miles of huntable water. Another contributor to his inequity is undoubtedly that when CB closes, it's later in the season when all the casual hunters have quit waterfowl hunting. This factor would be a neutral, supporting neither my argument or yours; it's just an interesting fact we must consider.cluckmeister said:I remember back in the days before zones as we know them now , Quivira and The Bottoms both were in the same zone and the number of hunters as I recall was pretty much even steven.
This held some merit "back in the day". Today it is a moot point, since CB no longer has assigned blinds as it once did; we can spread out or we can cluster as we choose.cluckmeister said:Heck my own cousin who lived in Ellenwood hunted Quivira as he like the more spread out area of Quivira above the 300 yard spacing of blinds at The Bottoms.
It also takes a prime marsh away from us (Quivira) when the Early Zone closes....and this is my main concern.cluckmeister said:The bottom line to me is that by putting Quivira in the early zone , it gives the hunters 3 prime marshes to hunt instead of 2..
There are many days during the regular duck season right now where the season is open in both zones. I don't see any noticeable decrease in hunting pressure on CB during those days. McPherson may be different, but McPherson is such a tiny area, hosting an insignificant number of hunters compared to CB and QNWR.cluckmeister said:Regardless of the numbers of hunters going to Quivira from the Bottoms and McPherson, Less is better.
Out of your whole post, this is the only thing I can point out as being in error. Not "1 acre"....1 square mile! That's what, 640 acres? And actually, after looking at the map of Quivira again, I could easily change that to 2 square miles, when the water conditions are right! Still, it's only a small fraction of the huntable water which is available at the Bottoms on a normal year. (and that isn't including the approx one square mile of Pool 5 that is open for hunting during the Early Teal season.)cluckmeister said:Ive hunted Quivira since around 82 and believe me when theres water, theres far more that 1 acre of water to hunt.
I agree; screw the whoopers.007 said:It is a good debate, but I'd prefer to keep the zones how they are. I like Quivira in the late zone, whoopers be damned...007
Mud, Ive never figured out why they close the areas to DUCK hunting and upland hunting when those stupid white birds are there. As I recall there was an idea in the new plans to change the areas and leave a portion of Q open when they were there but that idea evidently got shot down because of the bird watchers lobby. I wish they required every bird watcher that entered the place buy a Federal Migratory Bird Stamp to even be on the premises.mudpack said:I agree; screw the whoopers.007 said:It is a good debate, but I'd prefer to keep the zones how they are. I like Quivira in the late zone, whoopers be damned...007
Anyone ever see any whoopers on the hunting areas at Quivira? They don't close the private ground around Quivira when whoopers are in the area, can't figure out why they feel the need to close the whole NWR when three of the birds are spotted on Little Salt. :huh:
Maybe close the NWR when whoopers are present ONLY DURING THE WHITE GOOSE SEASON? Not many hunters would mistake a whooping crane for a pintail.....
This idea gets my full support!cluckmeister said:I wish they required every bird watcher that entered the place buy a Federal Migratory Bird Stamp to even be on the premises.
Tentative dates are Sept 12 thru 27 , bag limit the same as last year. The Federal framework hasn't been set in stone but according to the State Wildlife Biologist, he feels these days are what we will have East of 283MinneKans said:Any word on the teal season dates?
...where you will be welcomed with open arms!cluckmeister said:So all you fellows wanting to see Quivra in the Early zone just plan on hogging into The Bottoms and McPherson...
Chances are Quivira will be froze over in January if we have a normal winter and them Mallards will be in southern Oklahoma, but, Ill meet you on North Lake , bring your ice skates Ill bring the Hot Chocolate LOLmudpack said:...where you will be welcomed with open arms!cluckmeister said:So all you fellows wanting to see Quivra in the Early zone just plan on hogging into The Bottoms and McPherson...
Then, I'll join you at Quivira in January when the Early Zone is closed and Quivira is still holding those late-season mallards and pintail. :thumbsup:
See you there, cluck.
Cluck if you and Mud can`t find any hunting in January come visit me in the South East zone . We winter those late season Mallards instead of sending them on south. Our WMA`s are full of those fat Greenheads come January . The last waterfowl count published in the KC Star a week after the season closed showed duck numbers meeting or exceeding season highs . There`s no doubt you guys in the central part of the state own November but January is the reason we lobby so hard for the SE zone . I invite you to come see for yourselves. Have a great day .cluckmeister said:Chances are Quivira will be froze over in January if we have a normal winter and them Mallards will be in southern Oklahoma, but, Ill meet you on North Lake , bring your ice skates Ill bring the Hot Chocolate LOLmudpack said:...where you will be welcomed with open arms!cluckmeister said:So all you fellows wanting to see Quivra in the Early zone just plan on hogging into The Bottoms and McPherson...
Then, I'll join you at Quivira in January when the Early Zone is closed and Quivira is still holding those late-season mallards and pintail. :thumbsup:
See you there, cluck.
John, Thank You very much for the invite, its appreciated. Its going to be interesting on how and if they redo the zones, seems there is a lot of interest in moving the boundaries of the SE Zone. Fortunately my goose honey hole has two ponds on it and it is in the SE zone. I also have excess to three other ponds about 7 miles from that spot, so we do get a crack at those fat green heads.John O`Neal said:Cluck if you and Mud can`t find any hunting in January come visit me in the South East zone . We winter those late season Mallards instead of sending them on south. Our WMA`s are full of those fat Greenheads come January . The last waterfowl count published in the KC Star a week after the season closed showed duck numbers meeting or exceeding season highs . There`s no doubt you guys in the central part of the state own November but January is the reason we lobby so hard for the SE zone . I invite you to come see for yourselves. Have a great day .cluckmeister said:Chances are Quivira will be froze over in January if we have a normal winter and them Mallards will be in southern Oklahoma, but, Ill meet you on North Lake , bring your ice skates Ill bring the Hot Chocolate LOLmudpack said:...where you will be welcomed with open arms!cluckmeister said:So all you fellows wanting to see Quivra in the Early zone just plan on hogging into The Bottoms and McPherson...
Then, I'll join you at Quivira in January when the Early Zone is closed and Quivira is still holding those late-season mallards and pintail. :thumbsup:
See you there, cluck.
Mud, that sounds good, I read today that they are predicting gas under 2 bucks this winter, That will make for some cheap duck hunts for everyonemudpack said:Thanks, John, for the invite. I may take you up on that. I have a brother who lives in Elk county I could stay with, even.
I'll see if cluck wants to split the cost of gas..... :biggrin: