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Catahoula Flooding

Postby Cenla1 » Tue Oct 29, 2013 4:34 pm

Any word on the date the gates will shut on Catahoula to start the flooding. The lake bed is very damp so the water should come up faster?
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Cenla1 » Thu Oct 31, 2013 11:59 am

Will the rain we are getting have an effect on the flooding
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:23 pm

According to the Tri Party agreement, Catahoula Lake is to be flooded no more than 15 days or no less than 10 days before duck season opens. I emailed the Vicksburg Corps of Engineers and asked the exact date, but they did not reply. I hope they leave the water on the lake from todays rain but who knows they could drain it off. November 8 would be 15 days before duck season.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Park Duck » Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:25 pm

Mr.L wrote:According to the Tri Party agreement, Catahoula Lake is to be flooded no more than 15 days or no less than 10 days before duck season opens. I emailed the Vicksburg Corps of Engineers and asked the exact date, but they did not reply. I hope they leave the water on the lake from todays rain but who knows they could drain it off. November 8 would be 15 days before duck season.

Are you stupid? They better open the gates or you are gonna be hunting in eight foot of water.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:01 am

Catahoula Lake is not going to rise 8ft from a 2-3 in. rain. It only rose .3 in. over night. It is still over a foot lower from where they keep it during duck season. Catahoula Lake floods when water comes over at the diversion canal or at the structure at Archie. Most hunters on the north end will welcome water at 29.5 ft a few days before duck season since last year the majority of blinds there were on dry ground last year.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Cenla1 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:43 am

I agree with that. Are you stupid that is a bit harsh and nieve 3 in rain is much different with an empty lake bed than with a full one. 29.3-29.6. I will be happy happy happy. Jack!
Atleast if they will not catch this rain water the saturation of the ground would have to help I would think.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Park Duck » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:14 am

And how much did it rain north of catahoula? I guess y'all don't understand the concept of runoff
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Cenla1 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:22 am

I do understand runoff I also understand an empty lake bed will absorb more water than a full one.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:35 am

As far as run off is concerned, Ouachita River @ Monroe rose .2 in and Black River Lock& Dam at Jonesville upper gate fell .04 in. since yesterday. Water is not anywhere close to flood stage that would flood Catahoula Lake. I would be happy to if we had water at 29.5 in. a few days early this year. The ducks would have more area to feed in and not be concentrated in the marsh of the lake.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Park Duck » Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:04 am

the best thing to do is flood little by little you flood it all now come late dec jan your not gonna be killing much
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:03 am

The Corps of Engineers keeps the water between 29.3 and 29.5 ft. during duck season. Even at that level the entire lakebed is not covered. If it rains, they drain the lake back down to 29.5 ft. The only time water gets above 29.5 ft. is when the water on the backside of the diversion canal is too high to drain the lake. Usually by then the water comes over the structure at Archie and floods the lake anyway.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Park Duck » Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:39 am

Im just saying how the lake would benefit. But you, i and everybody else that hunts out there knows that would cause all hell to break loose
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Cenla1 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 12:55 pm

I understand your logic as to gradually introduce more feeding areas. However, when the lake has stayed at a consistent level I have killed ducks from the first day of the year until the last day. Unfortunately, only mother nature controls that at some point. I will be either killing them in my blind, if it gets to high I will be killing them out of my boat or floating blind. But would prefer the water to be at 29.5 a week before the season until the end of the year.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby metalworx » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:01 am

Waters up
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Toledo » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:21 am

29.25' and rising. I bet she is looking right. That rain must have done more than some thought it would. Wonder if it will hold for almost three weeks though. With the rain forecast it could be over for some before it ever gets started.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Original Duckster » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:23 pm

Very strong current in the canal so they are passing a lot of water through the locks. It is not keeping up with the rate of rise. More water to come down the Dudgemona and Little River. Lake is at about 29.5'msl now center of the lake. NWS forecasts 2" for tomorrow rain event. Usually with the lake at 29-29.5, there is a foot of rise for every inch of rain in the watershed. The ducks have been eating out the duck potato as the water rises and have started big time on the millet.

This is from the canal to the head. Don't know what things are like up north.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Park Duck » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:35 pm

errbody is screwed
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Toledo » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:43 pm

STATE AINT MANAGING MY WATER RIGHT! THAT DANG LARRY REYNOLDS IS IN BED WITH OBAMA AND DONT WANT US KILLING OUR DUCKS!!! DEY TUK RRRR JOBS!!!!!! :lol3: :lol3: :lol3:
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Original Duckster » Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:35 pm

That Larry is a socialist from way back! Why he is from Kalifornia! :biggrin:

Congrats Larry on the Banding award and congrats for having a good team to work with! Y'all were doing a fair job on Catahoula this year (there was that 6 day period of letting the water cover the newly sprouted millet lapse) but you have no control over Maw Nature.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:08 am

Well, I was hoping Corps of Engineers would have lake at 29.5 ft. early this year. They have drained it down to 28.18 ft -.40 lakeside reading since yesterday Nov.6. Friday will be 15 days before the season. I wonder if they will close diversion canal gates and start to bring it back up. A lot of hunters were hoping it would stay up to be able to run their mud motors to work on blinds and prepare for the coming youth hunt. At least lakebed is wet and will reflood quickly if Corps chooses to close diversion canal gates.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby metalworx » Thu Nov 07, 2013 8:36 am

I actually heard the gauge was not reading correctly and the water was about a foot deeper than it was showing
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Thu Nov 07, 2013 9:25 am

On rivergauges.com the center of the lake reading is either down or gives crazy readings. I always go by the lakeside reading. With that said, I guess the only way to be sure of correct reading is to do it the old fashioned way and to go directly to diversion canal gates and read the old wooden gauge on the lakeside, if it is still there. I use to do that years ago. I have often wondered if their new satellite gps technology is really that accurate anyway. One year what they were calling 29.5ft, did not actually seem as high as it should have been around our blind. I don't know how often they actually check the accuracy of their calibration.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Original Duckster » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:22 pm

The upstream gauge is affected by the slope of water going through the gates. When there is a large velocity flow, it does NOT give a true reading of the lake level. The center lake gauge has to be a low bid item as it goes on a bender often.

Anecdotal reports have the main lake at about 29.7-29.9'msl . This is from folks that have been in place about 50 years. I do know that out of Stock Landing it was about 29.6' yesterday.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Mr.L » Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:44 pm

Original Duckster, you aroused my curiosity. I went to the diversion canal at 3:00 pm and the wooden gauge on the front of the locks read an even 29.0 ft. Rivergauges.com said 28.11ft. lakeside and 29.43 ft. center of the lake. Neither reading at rivergauge.com was accurate according to wooden gauge on diversion canal gate.
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Re: Catahoula Flooding

Postby Toledo » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:19 pm

Yall have a lot more experience then me on Catahoula but I know water levels on any water body can vary by as much as a foot or two from either the wind or inflows/outflows. Mixing a coldfront wind and inflow at the same time could make it even worse.
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