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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:58 pm

Holy crap gunny. That sounded awesome

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby MNkid7 » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:01 pm

Gunnysway wrote:This was done on an Echo Timber, while my lovely wife gave me the stink eye from the other side of the porch door.


http://youtu.be/m9cNZCXlEdM

Sounded pretty damn good to me! If you don't mind me asking how do you stretch out your quacks? I don't know if you'll understand what I'm talking about but that drawn out quack was all I heard last year from live hens, and I've been trying to figure out how to do it for a while.
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby hillbilly.. » Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:44 pm

Gunnysway wrote:This was done on an Echo Timber, while my lovely wife gave me the stink eye from the other side of the porch door.


http://youtu.be/m9cNZCXlEdM


I miss my echo timber. :sad: but I had the diamond wood with double reed with poly insert. one of the reg timbers you try the open water ones?
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:28 am

Thanks fellas.


MNkid - It is exactly the same air presentation as a high ball. The difference being control of the call. What I mean by that is, running the line on how much air will make it stick, or make it drop off, and how loud you want to be at the time. Simply put... you have to f**k around with your call to figure out where that sweet spot is... Another factor is that control of a small bore, short barreled call (Echo Timber) is a LOT easier than with say, an open bored call like the MVP or BOSS or any other large bore call. However, any time you restrict the air due to the size of the bore, you lose volume and some range. I don't typically use the Timber, as it is a Beebe stamped model - shelf queen, and I prefer a little louder call (wife shot lasers at me when I started on the Shocker (Calef). It is a loud call, which I guess is a no no when she is studying... :fingerhead:)

Keep in mind, that I was doing some things that I would rarely do in the swamp.


Thanks again fellas, and keep 'em coming. It was a great idea to start this thread. We will all be able to learn new things and possibly become better, more knowledgeable waterfowl hunters.
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:40 am

hillbilly.. wrote:
Gunnysway wrote:This was done on an Echo Timber, while my lovely wife gave me the stink eye from the other side of the porch door.


http://youtu.be/m9cNZCXlEdM


I miss my echo timber. :sad: but I had the diamond wood with double reed with poly insert. one of the reg timbers you try the open water ones?




I have, and they are very good calls... but most calls these days are very good calls. Getting used to your call takes time behind the barrel. Best advise I ever had was from a pretty well known call maker, who told me "Practice in the damn car. weather it takes 10 minutes or an hour, it is a place to practice. Can't piss anyone off at home, and you can hear every mistake you make, which makes it easier to correct... but wear ear plugs, you can hear your "breathing" much better, and that will help you understand why the call runs the way it does..."


All that to say, you have to be comfortable with your call. We can all get into any car and drive it down the road. That is more important than weather it has all the bells and whistles. "Basic driving skills" is what I'm talking about.
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby hillbilly.. » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:58 am

I practice on my way to work 40 min drive and with goose call thats alota miles to drive with the knee
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Thu Mar 13, 2014 8:19 am

:lol3:

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:46 am

Hillbilly you just need to get a job in Minneapolis. You just sit in your car not going anywhere on the highway and can bug everyone else on the road with your calling. It gets some strange looks from people, lol

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby MNkid7 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:19 am

Gunnysway wrote:Thanks fellas.


MNkid - It is exactly the same air presentation as a high ball. The difference being control of the call. What I mean by that is, running the line on how much air will make it stick, or make it drop off, and how loud you want to be at the time. Simply put... you have to f**k around with your call to figure out where that sweet spot is... Another factor is that control of a small bore, short barreled call (Echo Timber) is a LOT easier than with say, an open bored call like the MVP or BOSS or any other large bore call. However, any time you restrict the air due to the size of the bore, you lose volume and some range. I don't typically use the Timber, as it is a Beebe stamped model - shelf queen, and I prefer a little louder call (wife shot lasers at me when I started on the Shocker (Calef). It is a loud call, which I guess is a no no when she is studying... :fingerhead:)

Keep in mind, that I was doing some things that I would rarely do in the swamp.


Thanks again fellas, and keep 'em coming. It was a great idea to start this thread. We will all be able to learn new things and possibly become better, more knowledgeable waterfowl hunters.

Thanks for the advice! I kinda figured I had to mess with the call, but atleast I have an idea now. :thumbsup:
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby hillbilly.. » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:20 am

Me in traffic bumper to bumper no thanks i hate waiting in line to drop my boat in the water
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby xrated » Thu Mar 13, 2014 12:42 pm

So I've noticed I am getting what seems to be excessive spit in my hand while practicing. By that I mean my mouth is pretty dang dry but I am ending up with spit on my hand.

Is that normal?
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Thu Mar 13, 2014 1:40 pm

I find that happens to me when I use a "T" at the start of the note. Ticka, ticka, ticka...
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby wanapasaki » Thu Mar 13, 2014 7:53 pm

xrated wrote:So I've noticed I am getting what seems to be excessive spit in my hand while practicing. By that I mean my mouth is pretty dang dry but I am ending up with spit on my hand.

Is that normal?



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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:16 pm

xrated wrote:So I've noticed I am getting what seems to be excessive spit in my hand while practicing. By that I mean my mouth is pretty dang dry but I am ending up with spit on my hand.

Is that normal?

I'll get that if I run a call ridiculously. Doesn't happen when I'm hunting because I'm not racking the call anywhere near enough to build up the spit

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby xrated » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:06 am

Gunnysway wrote:I find that happens to me when I use a "T" at the start of the note. Ticka, ticka, ticka...


I will pay attention to when I am getting it.


Goldfish, it very well could be the result of 5-10 minutes of blowing in a row. But what else is a guy supposed to do when the H.A.M.S is at commercial?
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:26 am

xrated wrote:
Gunnysway wrote:I find that happens to me when I use a "T" at the start of the note. Ticka, ticka, ticka...


I will pay attention to when I am getting it.


Goldfish, it very well could be the result of 5-10 minutes of blowing in a row. But what else is a guy supposed to do when the H.A.M.S is at commercial?

Like I said, happens to me too. Lol

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:30 am

Me too.
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Fri Mar 21, 2014 11:23 am

Anyone good with a goose call?

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby xrated » Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:56 pm

goldfish wrote:Anyone good with a goose call?

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Better then a duck call but only on a flute so I don't do much.


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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Sat Mar 22, 2014 2:42 am

The goose call is the one I'd really like help with. I don't know if I'm doing something, or I just need to learn to read birds better, but I'm not horribly successful with a goose call. Sometimes it works like a charm, others I might as well not be making a sound at all

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby Gunnysway » Wed Mar 26, 2014 8:24 am

A guy really just needs to have a good cluck, and a good moan to kill birds. If you have those in your pocket, and are having a hard time bringing birds within range it is a good bet reading them is the issue. This is where time in the field is important... not necessarily hunting, but being where birds are and seeing how they react to flocks, calling and weather. As an example, I used to go over to the Blaine Sports Center, where birds stack up like cord wood. I would bring a call and just sit there, listening and occasionally trying to replicate the sounds I was hearing. What I found, was that I started seeing things the flying birds were doing that would have me saying to myself, they gone... or, their gonna light in that group. I would then "try" and call the birds that were leaving back. Sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't... no different than now... :lol3:

BUT... what it did help me learn, was watching wingtips for sudden changes in wing beats, or birds that would start looking confused as to where to go, by getting out of formation when they heard the call, etc. The other thing I try to do, and I'm sure you have heard this more than a few times, is paying attention to me... and what sounds I'm making. If I start clucking only, how are they reacting to it? If I slip in a moan, did that change the demeanor of the flock I'm calling to? First flocks of the day, I try to be VERY subtle in my calling. If they like an occasional cluck, and it is bringing them to me, why would I start speeding up, or slowing down or... any numerous things that one can do on a call. If they start to slide, I will speed up a bit or open up the bag of tricks and try something else... subtly... If that won't work I pick up the pace a bit more, or try a different sound just to test the waters... One thing I have found by doing this is that, for whatever reason, if the first flock wants a lot of calling, most other flocks will react the same way and want to hear a lot of sound... and vice versa.... So that will give a jumping off point that you can work with the rest of the day.

And the number one thing that I would say has helped me along was asking questions to those guys that I hunted/hunt with that know what they are looking for in a flock they are working. I would just sit and listen and watch. I would then ask what they saw that made them change from clucks and moans, to double clucks, or spit notes or anything other than the sound they were making when we first saw the flock in the air. Understanding what "react" meant was what I was learning. And am still learning... and asking questions.

Most waterfowl hunters are cool and want to teach what they know, but at the same time, most waterfowl hunters are hesitant to ask questions, as they tend to think they have it figured out, or are close to figuring it out, or in my case, for many years, was too shy/embarrassed to admit I only knew how to do it my way, which may or may not have been the "right way".

Then something AWESOME happened... I got fired from my job selling cars.

I know... how was that awesome? Well, as I sat and wallowed in my misery, my fantastic wife told me to find a job doing something I loved, and it just so happened she was looking at the classifieds, and low and behold, there was a new hunting store that would be opening in Coon Rapids, so I applied and was hired on as one of the "waterfowl specialists". The point of me telling you this, is that through that job, I was able to meet some GREAT, actual waterfowl experts and call makers. Including a fairly well known contest caller and current employee of a MN call company who was, at the time, an employee at the St. Cloud location. He taught me a lot about being proficient on a call and also introduced me to a VERY well known call maker who was very open and helpful. He asked me questions about how I did things to be successful. It blew my mind that this guy, who had, at the time 5 waterfowl videos that we sold, would ask a 20 something kid how I did it. It loosened me up enough to ask what they did to be successful.

And to this day i am grateful for that experience.

Two things I have learned from this post...

Ask questions if you want answers...

and Jim Beam gives me keyboard diarrhea... :hammer:

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby dfrauenkron » Wed Mar 26, 2014 9:43 am

Great post Gunny!
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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby goldfish » Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:53 pm

Lol, beam can be bad.

I know that when waterfowl hunting, I'm simply bird watching till I shoot. I'm not studying what they are doing, how they are acting, etc. I still get exited just to see birds so my mind instantly turns into a 5 year old on Christmas morning

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Re: Who's Up For A Challenge?

Postby chevyobsession » Wed Mar 26, 2014 2:43 pm

goldfish wrote:I still get exited just to see birds so my mind instantly turns into a 5 year old on Christmas morning

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