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Postby Fowlercon » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:08 pm

hankrt wrote:Regardless of what kind of dog it is, if it is in what appears to be an "Attack" mode with me, then look out, because "Im" in the defense mode. I have never ever tolerated dogs that are agressive and mean towards people, or other dogs and have sent a few of them to an early departure. I would caution a quick response to the situation though, most dogs will bark and growl at strangers, but usually keep a safe distance. But if I had one trying to corner me in and continued to show agression and I thought it was going to attack, then I'd take the route of ISD and give the collar back to the owner.


I agree 98%..............I wouldnt take the collar back to the owner. I think Marcbme idea is good as well. My take is that I wouldnt be going around indescriminately whackin dogs just because I thought they were aggressive. The dog would have to show me some serious posturing. A child can tell if a dog is about to attack. I would say that in this instance, if I were close enough, I wouldve given that dog the beating of his life which may or may not have ended in his death. At the end of the day, especially with the owners in eyesight, the situation has the potential for disaster. NOBODY is going to take kindly to seeing their pet getting beaten or killed. You may end up diggin more holes in the woods than your back could handle. Aggressive dogs are not born, their made. That dog owner knew it and should of had it under control if not leashed. He deserves whatever happens to his pet.

And to all you "aggressive" dog-haters, remember this............A ban on ANY breed anywhere is a threat to EVERY breed everywhere.
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Postby Gooseboy » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:27 pm

ISHOOTDIVERS wrote:Gooseboy Gooseboy Gooseboy, like roscoe already told you most dogs are a product of their environment, as much as I don't want to I do agree pitbulls are not exactly a breed I am fond of, although my brother-in-law owns 2, and they have 2 daughters, 3 and 1, those dogs are the biggest sissy couch dogs you have ever seen.It's almost like beind racist, a few bad apples ruin the bunch, I can tell you I have draw guns on more labs than pitbulls


Theres more than a few "bad apples" in San Diego there was always someone that got mauled by one on the news. They pitbull originated in the Canary Islands which were notorious for there vicious stray dogs. Although not all of them are bad why would you risk getting a dog that could turn and attack you? So many people who have been attacked by their dogs always say "oh it was such a good dog and would never hurt a fly." Obviously not. I really dont want them to be exterminated i just want the OWNERS to keep there dogs from running wild. Thats how wild packs of dogs start. The pitbull that chased me wasnt chained up but another dog owned by the same person was. I have no idea why. Luckily i was on an ATV but did not have a pistol on me at the time. If it got in front of the ATV i would of ran it over. I would have no problem with them if the owners were just more responsible.
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Postby mallardman77 » Tue Apr 25, 2006 4:33 pm

Well said hvac!! My city implemented a ban on pitbulls and all cross breeds a few years ago. Has it stopped dog attacks? No and in fact, the city has been talking about banning rottweilers and all cross breeds now because of 1 attack. The dog was in it's own fenced yard, with "beware of dog" signs posted on the front and rear gates. A teenager decided to cut through the yard while the dog was outside. What do you think the dog was doing? Protecting it's territory from a complete stranger. There was talk of this particular dog being destroyed(but I don't think it ever was). Needless to say, this incident has stayed on city council's radar and the talk is on to ban Rotty's.


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Postby ISHOOTDIVERS » Tue Apr 25, 2006 5:24 pm

Gooseboy wrote:I know a kid who i think was in kindergarden (sp) when a doberman attacked him. Hurt him really bad hes only in like 2nd grade now, but the owners are wealthy so they paid alot and are paying for his college education to wherever he wants to go. Still no excuse for what happened. This is why i feel that races like pit bulls should be exterminated (sorry to any pitbull owners) after bieng chased by one you dont feel to good about them.


Gooseboy between that post and your last post you really put your foot in your mouth, make up your damn mind junior :laughing:
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Postby Smackaduck » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:25 pm

choclab wrote:Comparing labs to boxers is apples and oranges. The dog was very aggresive and did so in a very threating manner. I don't give a damn about the owners. Some dogs are just plain mean. There are a few breeds of dogs that don't even get a second chance for me......it sucks, but I would rather be safe than sorry. They have two golden ret. that where aggresive too. I thinks the owners are doing something very wrong to have goldens aggresive too. Next time that Boxer shows aggresion to me.....he will die. I will shot him in the head and end his life for being aggresive to me. I will then bring the blood stained collar to the owners and tell them they should watch what there animals do. I make it a point to keep my dogs under supervision at all times. When I am gone, they are in there crates. I have a fenced back yard that they go in. Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to let your damn animals run all over gods green earth. It sucks for the dog, but the owners will be to blame.
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Postby choclab » Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:28 pm

kcduckslayer wrote:I will say this, unless someone is doing some explaining if they bring me a bloody collar, they will have a serious issue. And it wont be with the cops. You know eventually everyones dog get lose every now and then stuff happens, but if you shoot my dog (my family member) because hes on your property, you havent seen the end of me. I live by you crap in my yard I will crap in yours.

There is always 2 sides to every story, yours just better be a real good one




I sure in the hell hope your dog has some manners. If my lab gets out she runs around like a dork. She hardley even barks. You don't even have to say her name...just say any word at all, any word, and she melts like butter. She is overly nice if anything at all. I understand dogs get out. If your dog is aggresive.....it is your problem....bring your shovel. I don't mind dogs at all. If your dog got out and he wanted his head scratched or belly rubbed I would be more than willing to help him out. I have had several nice dogs hang out with me when I am fishing. I enjoy the company and they enjoy part of my lunch. I don't like the fact that the Boxer in the original story was very aggresive to my 5' 2" wife....ON PUBLIC LAND! There might be 2 sides to every story, but I only need to see one. If the dog is aggresive and keeps his distance...he keeps his life. Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to let your dogs run all over gods green earth. And I really don't care who I have to "have words with" if my wife is threatend. If you have an aggresive animal, you have a problem.
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Postby arizonaduckhunter13 » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:06 pm

There is no reason to hate a specific breed like pitbulls because it is the bad owner not the dog...i have had and seen many pitbulls that are very nice and they just protect there territory...if you are dumb enough to walk into a yard with a big rotweiller pitbull or lab than it's your fault...my dog will love you and be all over you if i like u
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Postby choclab » Tue Apr 25, 2006 10:41 pm

Where in the hell did I say I went onto their property???? It was on public land. I don't care if the dog is the meanest s.o.b. in the wolrd.....as long at it's NOT ON PUBLIC PROPERTY.
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Postby Erik Olsen » Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:03 am

i own a chesepeake they are some of the most owner protective dogs around we lost one because of that. all it did was get nasty to a friend i was wrestling with and off to the vet. Then we learned how to train them and associate them to people. 5 later and not a problem. in wisconsin a dog is an extension of the owners hand no matter where its located. that is why if a burglar breaks into your house and dog bites him here you will not be held liable but if he bites the guy in the yard (possibly the meter reader) you are liable. its actually a good law because owners cannot go to court and say i didnt know he was aggressive. so the little kid that got bit is still covered. and if the dog is a known aggressive like the neighbors have had problems or you have a beware of dog sign it can be considered a deadly weapon if major damage is done. its not the dog its the owners that treat 70lb dogs like they are kick me wanna be cats or something. the first thing i would do before you flip is call the police and get it in a report to fall back on in case you do go off the handle then you have evidence. and ask them what the laws are and what is protecting you if you do something then next time this happens. what a year and a half of police school has taught me is that you always get your stuff in order to protect yourself because people like that dont change and there will be other incidents. dont talk to them let the police do that so it is on record and then you know its done professionally and the police will let them know what laws they have to follow and what you can do or what will happen if they are not followed. these are the same people that buy there kids beer and say its not their fault when the kid kills somebody in a drunk driving accident. "justice is simple its like good parenting. you either kick them in the butt or you give them a hug just give whats deserved"
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Postby kcduckslayer » Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:12 am

kcduckslayer wrote:
I will say this, unless someone is doing some explaining if they bring me a bloody collar, they will have a serious issue. And it wont be with the cops. You know eventually everyones dog get lose every now and then stuff happens, but if you shoot my dog (my family member) because hes on your property, you havent seen the end of me. I live by you crap in my yard I will crap in yours.

There is always 2 sides to every story, yours just better be a real good one




I sure in the hell hope your dog has some manners. If my lab gets out she runs around like a dork. She hardley even barks. You don't even have to say her name...just say any word at all, any word, and she melts like butter. She is overly nice if anything at all. I understand dogs get out. If your dog is aggresive.....it is your problem....bring your shovel. I don't mind dogs at all. If your dog got out and he wanted his head scratched or belly rubbed I would be more than willing to help him out. I have had several nice dogs hang out with me when I am fishing. I enjoy the company and they enjoy part of my lunch. I don't like the fact that the Boxer in the original story was very aggresive to my 5' 2" wife....ON PUBLIC LAND! There might be 2 sides to every story, but I only need to see one. If the dog is aggresive and keeps his distance...he keeps his life. Just because you live in the country doesn't give you the right to let your dogs run all over gods green earth. And I really don't care who I have to "have words with" if my wife is threatend. If you have an aggresive animal, you have a problem.


I agree with if you do have an agressive breed or dog. If and when my dog gets out the worst thing he has ever done is take a huge steaming pile of poo in the neighbors yard. Well he did pee on the guy that stopped and peted him a couple years ago. But back to the point. IF you are worried about your dog maybe being aggressive by all means do not let it play with children. I have a 12 week old blm and I dont even like him playing with little kids. I know hes just a puppy but will that hold up in court?
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Postby BHUNTER » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:06 am

i have read the posts here and i have posted here, i am a pet owner, i have one question for all of you.

is your pet worth the life of another human being?
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Postby kcduckslayer » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:08 am

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Postby Boomn4x4 » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:23 am

To get back to the original question. It sounds like the owners of the dog use the location on a regular basis since you ran into them twice. Most cities have leash requirements on public property. If this happened in the city limits I wouldn't even bother talking to the owners. I know it sounds hypocritical, but if I it were my dog I would have brushed it off as "oh she would never bite anyone". I think most dog owners don't think their pets are capable of attacking anyone.... until it happens. And lets face it, no matter how well trained the dog is, it's always possible that it will bite someone I would head straight to the police and let them know what is going on.

As far as shooting the dog, I would really watch that. Even if it is justified I would hate to get wrapped up in law suites and other legal actions unless I really had to. If there were any way out of it, I'd try to avoid killing it
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Re: one question

Postby Fowlercon » Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:56 pm

BHUNTER wrote:i have read the posts here and i have posted here, i am a pet owner, i have one question for all of you.

is your pet worth the life of another human being?


Absolutely not. I love my dog as an active member of my family. He is given all the love and attention he deserves as our pet. However, he is nowhere near the level of any human member of my family or any human being for that matter. As much as we all adore him, if he were to attack ANYONE without provocation, I would destroy him immediately. That is why he is an animal and I am a person. Animals don't out-rank people EVER.
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Postby Gooseboy » Wed Apr 26, 2006 8:09 pm

ISHOOTDIVERS wrote:
Gooseboy wrote:I know a kid who i think was in kindergarden (sp) when a doberman attacked him. Hurt him really bad hes only in like 2nd grade now, but the owners are wealthy so they paid alot and are paying for his college education to wherever he wants to go. Still no excuse for what happened. This is why i feel that races like pit bulls should be exterminated (sorry to any pitbull owners) after bieng chased by one you dont feel to good about them.


Gooseboy between that post and your last post you really put your foot in your mouth, make up your damn mind junior :laughing:


Ok long story short. Dont mess with the dogs if you dont want to get bit. And also its the owners fault not the dogs. Hell i new a really nice rotweiler so i guess its the same about pitbulls they just have a bad rep.
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Re: one question

Postby PAwaterfowldominator » Thu Apr 27, 2006 12:21 am

BHUNTER wrote:i have read the posts here and i have posted here, i am a pet owner, i have one question for all of you.

is your pet worth the life of another human being?


In my opinion yes.. I've made so many incredible memories with my male lab that I'll never forget and wouldn't trade for anything.. I've grown so icredibly close to him that I truely love him and he truely loves me back.. If he aimlessly attacked someone he would be punished severly and taught a lesson but I would never even dream about putting him down.. I've never had any situations come up that anyone has tried to harm him or hurt him and I pray it doesn't happen.. I would kill someone in a heartbeat without even thinking twice about it if they killed or hurt my dog.. I know some of you have different opinions about that particular subject but I also know that some of you dog owners would do just the same thing I would.. As far as the aggressive dogs, pepper spray and thin long sticks are great ways to make them run away with their tale between their legs.
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Postby goosetalk » Thu Apr 27, 2006 1:44 pm

I was bit by a rotweiler when i was in 2nd grade. It was my friends neighbor's dog. We were playing in his yard, running around when the dog chased us and got a piece of my leg. The only punishment was to confine it for 10 days. If i see a dog, especially if its running around my woods while hunting, it'll be dead unless i can see a collar. I don't take mean dogs lightly anymore. If their mean, there as good as dead. Obviously your situation is a little different, but if you are minding your own business, and a dog confronts you, its a self-defense issue. Do what you must.
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Postby plainsman » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:38 pm

Gooseboy, you really make me laugh.....wipe out a race{breed} of dog because of your one bad experience. He was probably only chasing you because he met you before :toofunny: :laughing: :toofunny: .
Whether it's a pit, boxer, lab, chessie or whatever breed, it all boils down to how the animal is raised. All of the larger breeds still have pack instinct and will protect their pack/territory. If your invading or threatening{ in their eyes} they'll do what comes natural.....defend. I'm not defending the dogs, but I believe your real beef is with the owners.Why would you take anyone unable to defend themselves, to an area that you know has protective dogs in the first place?? I wouldn't be letting my girls wander around if I knew there are coyote packs that hunt that territory. A little more common sense on both sides is needed :umm:
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Re: one question

Postby BurnZ » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:51 pm

PAwaterfowldominator wrote: I would kill someone in a heartbeat without even thinking twice about it if they killed or hurt my dog..


So if you were standing there, and your dog all of a sudden took off and you started to attack someone (Not saying your dog would just a "what if"), and they defended themselfs and in turn your dog gets hurt or dies. you would walk over to that person and kill them. now that's a bit over the top don't you think.
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Postby Gooseboy » Thu Apr 27, 2006 2:55 pm

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Postby vikingsfan » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:28 pm

Hmm...kill someone over a dog = jail plus you'd probably get your ass kicked by friend/relative
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