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PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:30 am

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping: Cograts to you Pa. guys....you got state congressmen with balls!

Providing that any Federal law which attempts to register, restrict or ban a firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm in this Commonwealth shall be unenforceable in this Commonwealth; and imposing penalties.

The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania hereby enacts as follows:

Section 1. Short title.

This act shall be known and may be cited as the Right to Bear Arms Protection Act.

Section 2. Definitions.

The following words and phrases when used in this act shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

"Firearm accessory." An item that is used in conjunction with or mounted on a firearm but is not essential to the basic function of a firearm.

Section 3. Federal law relating to firearms, accessories and ammunition.

(a) Enforceability.--A Federal law, rule, regulation or order created or taking effect after December 31, 2012, shall be unenforceable within the borders of this Commonwealth if the law, rule, regulation or order attempts to register, restrict or ban the ownership or purchase of a firearm, magazine of a firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition.

(b) Federal agent.--An official, agent or employee of the Federal Government, Commonwealth or political subdivision who enforces or attempts to enforce a Federal law under subsection (a) commits a felony of the third degree and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not less than one year or more than seven years, a fine of not more than $15,000, or both.

The Attorney General shall prosecute violations of this section.

Section 4. Duty of Attorney General.

The Attorney General shall defend a resident of this Commonwealth who is prosecuted by the Federal Government for a violation of Federal law under section 3(a) that attempts to register, restrict or ban the ownership or purchase of a firearm, magazine of a firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is retained in this Commonwealth.

Section 20. Effective date.

This act shall take effect in 60 days.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:31 am

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Jan 30, 2013 11:47 am

Why does NY suck so hard? Why can't we follow PA?

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ohioboy » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:00 pm

In reality it has a small chance of passing.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:02 pm

Indaswamp wrote::clapping: :clapping: :clapping: Cograts to you Pa. guys....you got state congressmen with balls!

Providing that any Federal law which attempts to register, restrict or ban a firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm in this Commonwealth shall be unenforceable in this Commonwealth; and imposing penalties.

The General Assembly of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania hereby enacts as follows:

Section 1. Short title.

This act shall be known and may be cited as the Right to Bear Arms Protection Act.

Section 2. Definitions.

The following words and phrases when used in this act shall have the meanings given to them in this section unless the context clearly indicates otherwise:

"Firearm accessory." An item that is used in conjunction with or mounted on a firearm but is not essential to the basic function of a firearm.

Section 3. Federal law relating to firearms, accessories and ammunition.

(a) Enforceability.--A Federal law, rule, regulation or order created or taking effect after December 31, 2012, shall be unenforceable within the borders of this Commonwealth if the law, rule, regulation or order attempts to register, restrict or ban the ownership or purchase of a firearm, magazine of a firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition.

(b) Federal agent.--An official, agent or employee of the Federal Government, Commonwealth or political subdivision who enforces or attempts to enforce a Federal law under subsection (a) commits a felony of the third degree and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not less than one year or more than seven years, a fine of not more than $15,000, or both.

The Attorney General shall prosecute violations of this section.

Section 4. Duty of Attorney General.

The Attorney General shall defend a resident of this Commonwealth who is prosecuted by the Federal Government for a violation of Federal law under section 3(a) that attempts to register, restrict or ban the ownership or purchase of a firearm, magazine of a firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is retained in this Commonwealth.

Section 20. Effective date.

This act shall take effect in 60 days.

At least they are trying. NY is part of the problem.

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:16 pm

This would be a great example to use in all the pro-gun states! I hope it passes with an overwhelming majority. It is time to reign in the Feds!
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Tealer » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:22 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:This would be a great example to use in all the pro-gun states! I hope it passes with an overwhelming majority. It is time to reign in the Feds!


The fact that they are trying is a great example.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby waterfowlman » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:35 pm

Eric Haynes wrote:Why does NY suck so hard? Why can't we follow PA?

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Eric Haynes » Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:47 pm

waterfowlman wrote:
Eric Haynes wrote:Why does NY suck so hard? Why can't we follow PA?

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Two words.....Cuomo + Bloomberg. You folks elected those morons.

Don't say you folks, say NYC:-(:-(:-(:-(

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby 2Longgone » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:11 pm

Add Missouri to the give Obama the finger list:

Missouri Representative Todd Richardson has introduced a bill that would stop federal gun control “laws” at the state border.

HB 209 would amend the Missouri Code concerning firearms. The text of the bill simply states that:

Any federal law, rule, regulation, or order created or effective on or after January 1, 2013 shall be unenforceable in the state of Missouri if the law, rule, regulation, or order attempts to:
(1) Ban or restrict ownership of a semi-automatic firearm or any magazine of a firearm; or
(2) Require any firearm, magazine, or other firearm accessory to be registered in any manner.

This bill, if passed, would nullify any federal gun control bill that would limit the citizens of Missouri access to firearms, ammunition and accessories and make it a felony to try to implement it in Mississippi. A section from this bill reads:
Any official, agent, or employee of the federal government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule, or regulation of the federal government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in the state of Missouri and that remains exclusively within the borders of the state of Missouri shall be guilty of a class D felony.

HB 209 was introduced on January 17, 2013 and has not yet been assigned to committee.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ohioboy » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:31 pm

Oh, here goes. Please be gentle guys......history teacher on deck. :help:

National law is always more powerful than state laws. That is the supremacy clause. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause. So even if a state does that, the Feds have the power to enforce. IF they chose to is another thing. It's a lot of political posturing and not much more. Most of these laws have little hope of passing.

I live in maryland, so I'm screwed regardless. :fingerhead: :crying:
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby steve-o » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:11 pm

2Longgone wrote:Add Missouri to the give Obama the finger list:

Missouri Representative Todd Richardson has introduced a bill that would stop federal gun control “laws” at the state border.

HB 209 would amend the Missouri Code concerning firearms. The text of the bill simply states that:

Any federal law, rule, regulation, or order created or effective on or after January 1, 2013 shall be unenforceable in the state of Missouri if the law, rule, regulation, or order attempts to:
(1) Ban or restrict ownership of a semi-automatic firearm or any magazine of a firearm; or
(2) Require any firearm, magazine, or other firearm accessory to be registered in any manner.

This bill, if passed, would nullify any federal gun control bill that would limit the citizens of Missouri access to firearms, ammunition and accessories and make it a felony to try to implement it in Mississippi. A section from this bill reads:
Any official, agent, or employee of the federal government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule, or regulation of the federal government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in the state of Missouri and that remains exclusively within the borders of the state of Missouri shall be guilty of a class D felony.

HB 209 was introduced on January 17, 2013 and has not yet been assigned to committee.


Missouri or Mississippi?
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby 2Longgone » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:24 pm

steve-o wrote:
2Longgone wrote:Add Missouri to the give Obama the finger list:

Missouri Representative Todd Richardson has introduced a bill that would stop federal gun control “laws” at the state border.

HB 209 would amend the Missouri Code concerning firearms. The text of the bill simply states that:

Any federal law, rule, regulation, or order created or effective on or after January 1, 2013 shall be unenforceable in the state of Missouri if the law, rule, regulation, or order attempts to:
(1) Ban or restrict ownership of a semi-automatic firearm or any magazine of a firearm; or
(2) Require any firearm, magazine, or other firearm accessory to be registered in any manner.

This bill, if passed, would nullify any federal gun control bill that would limit the citizens of Missouri access to firearms, ammunition and accessories and make it a felony to try to implement it in Mississippi. A section from this bill reads:
Any official, agent, or employee of the federal government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule, or regulation of the federal government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory, or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in the state of Missouri and that remains exclusively within the borders of the state of Missouri shall be guilty of a class D felony.

HB 209 was introduced on January 17, 2013 and has not yet been assigned to committee.


Missouri or Mississippi?


Missouri,

A typo from the news source or maybe we are trying to protect Mississippi's rights too. :lol3:

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby 2Longgone » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:27 pm

ohioboy wrote:Oh, here goes. Please be gentle guys......history teacher on deck. :help:

National law is always more powerful than state laws. That is the supremacy clause. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause. So even if a state does that, the Feds have the power to enforce. IF they chose to is another thing. It's a lot of political posturing and not much more. Most of these laws have little hope of passing.

I live in maryland, so I'm screwed regardless. :fingerhead: :crying:


Well it beats the hell out of what NY and some other states are doing, even if it can't be enforced at state level. Makes a statement to BO. :beer:
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ohioboy » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:48 pm

2Longgone wrote:
ohioboy wrote:Oh, here goes. Please be gentle guys......history teacher on deck. :help:

National law is always more powerful than state laws. That is the supremacy clause. http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/supremacy_clause. So even if a state does that, the Feds have the power to enforce. IF they chose to is another thing. It's a lot of political posturing and not much more. Most of these laws have little hope of passing.

I live in maryland, so I'm screwed regardless. :fingerhead: :crying:


Well it beats the hell out of what NY and some other states are doing, even if it can't be enforced at state level. Makes a statement to BO. :beer:

:beer: I will drink to that.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:10 am

Actually, if enough states pass these types of legislation it will act as a defacto Ammendment to the Constitution. The purpose of the regulations is to set up the states positions for future fights with the Fed. And for the record a Country Sherriff has more authority in his jurisdiction than the Federal Government has. He can arrest and prosecute anyone he wishes so the Fed does not always win out on jurisdiction and authority.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby WTN10 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:31 pm

Ohio Boy is correct. Technically a state law cannot supersede a Federal law. These legislators know this, and if they don't they should, but I appreciate the gesture. I suppose one could make an argument under the 10th Amendment and claim that the gun laws are unconstitutional, however, because the Supreme Court is hell-bent on upholding the ridiculous interpretation of the Commerce Clause that it took in Gonzales v. Raich, which largely reiterated Wickard v. Philburn, there's not going to be much of an argument there.

If Congress can prevent the growth of wheat to feed one's family, then they can prevent the sale of certain guns and magazines. The next time you run in to Justices Kennedy or Scalia, be sure to thank them.

However, if Federal agents are arrested when they attempt to enforce said Federal laws then that's another issue entirely. Whether any local agencies will do this, we don't know. There's also the issue of Federal agents who refuse to enforce the Federal laws, which is entirely possible. Agents, like police officers, are vested with discretion in executing their duties.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby WTN10 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:37 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:Actually, if enough states pass these types of legislation it will act as a defacto Ammendment to the Constitution.


No, it won't. There are two procedures for amending the Constitution. One is proposal in Congress where it must pass by 2/3rds vote in both chambers, then ratification by 3/4ths of the states. The other is 2/3rds of the state legislatures call for a Constitutional Convention to be opened, at which point it is, and then whatever comes out still has to be ratified by 3/4ths of the states.

It's kind of difficult; intentionally so.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby steve-o » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:49 pm

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby Indaswamp » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:04 pm

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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby ScaupHunter » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:32 pm

WTN10 wrote:
ScaupHunter wrote:Actually, if enough states pass these types of legislation it will act as a defacto Ammendment to the Constitution.


No, it won't. There are two procedures for amending the Constitution. One is proposal in Congress where it must pass by 2/3rds vote in both chambers, then ratification by 3/4ths of the states. The other is 2/3rds of the state legislatures call for a Constitutional Convention to be opened, at which point it is, and then whatever comes out still has to be ratified by 3/4ths of the states.

It's kind of difficult; intentionally so.



I am going to have to disagree on the technicality of your review counselor. You are discussing actual amendments. I am discussing the effect under which 38 or more states simply refuse to comply with the Federal statue. This has the Defacto effect of an actual amendment which would say the government cannot regulate these things. We are talking about real world effects here, not legalese jargon and court challenges. When enough people simply say no the Fed has two choices, suck it up or go to war with it's own people.
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Re: PA. Gives Obama the Finger!

Postby lumpy2181 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:13 pm

So the real question is, which side will you be on when the next secession from the Union occurs?
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