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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:21 pm

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teddysberna wrote:How far from the house are all these birds? I feel like the noise would drive me insane trying to sleep

Some people get used to it. Grizz is not one.
Hard to say on the duck numbers swamp. They're all mixed in with the snows. Did see a bull sprig pintail today.

By that I assume that most of the pintails are not plumed out yet, which is unusual. We did not see many here that were plumed out with visible sprigs.

They're not funky looking anymore, but we rarely see full sprigs until later in the season.

hmmm...we normally see 5,6 and 7 inch sprigs on opening day here-but not this season.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:49 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
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teddysberna wrote:How far from the house are all these birds? I feel like the noise would drive me insane trying to sleep

Some people get used to it. Grizz is not one.
Hard to say on the duck numbers swamp. They're all mixed in with the snows. Did see a bull sprig pintail today.

By that I assume that most of the pintails are not plumed out yet, which is unusual. We did not see many here that were plumed out with visible sprigs.


Pfffft. Don't recall ever seeing one here before December.
They're not funky looking anymore, but we rarely see full sprigs until later in the season.

hmmm...we normally see 5,6 and 7 inch sprigs on opening day here-but not this season.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby bighop » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:16 am

Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
teddysberna wrote:How far from the house are all these birds? I feel like the noise would drive me insane trying to sleep

Some people get used to it. Grizz is not one.
Hard to say on the duck numbers swamp. They're all mixed in with the snows. Did see a bull sprig pintail today.

By that I assume that most of the pintails are not plumed out yet, which is unusual. We did not see many here that were plumed out with visible sprigs.

They're not funky looking anymore, but we rarely see full sprigs until later in the season.

hmmm...we normally see 5,6 and 7 inch sprigs on opening day here-but not this season.

Odd, we don't get those until second split, really good in January. All the sprig I've seen don't have much at all yet...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Tue Nov 19, 2013 12:44 am

bighop wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
teddysberna wrote:How far from the house are all these birds? I feel like the noise would drive me insane trying to sleep

Some people get used to it. Grizz is not one.
Hard to say on the duck numbers swamp. They're all mixed in with the snows. Did see a bull sprig pintail today.

By that I assume that most of the pintails are not plumed out yet, which is unusual. We did not see many here that were plumed out with visible sprigs.

They're not funky looking anymore, but we rarely see full sprigs until later in the season.

hmmm...we normally see 5,6 and 7 inch sprigs on opening day here-but not this season.

Odd, we don't get those until second split, really good in January. All the sprig I've seen don't have much at all yet...

My memory is playing tricks on me...I had to go back and look at last season's opening day...
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sprigs were not as long as I remembered. though we do see a number of birds flying with noticeable sprigs in normal years...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby bighop » Tue Nov 19, 2013 1:13 am

Indaswamp wrote:
bighop wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
teddysberna wrote:How far from the house are all these birds? I feel like the noise would drive me insane trying to sleep

Some people get used to it. Grizz is not one.
Hard to say on the duck numbers swamp. They're all mixed in with the snows. Did see a bull sprig pintail today.

By that I assume that most of the pintails are not plumed out yet, which is unusual. We did not see many here that were plumed out with visible sprigs.

They're not funky looking anymore, but we rarely see full sprigs until later in the season.

hmmm...we normally see 5,6 and 7 inch sprigs on opening day here-but not this season.

Odd, we don't get those until second split, really good in January. All the sprig I've seen don't have much at all yet...

My memory is playing tricks on me...I had to go back and look at last season's opening day...
Image
sprigs were not as long as I remembered. though we do see a number of birds flying with noticeable sprigs in normal years...

I thought maybe you were plucking them and measuring from the quill to to 5"....

Or letting Jaysweet measure.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby jaysweet3 » Tue Nov 19, 2013 5:19 am

Those sprigs look to be 14-15" long.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby teddysberna » Tue Nov 19, 2013 7:41 am

jaysweet3 wrote:Those sprigs look to be 14-15" long.




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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Gunnysway » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:04 am

jaysweet3 wrote:Those sprigs look to be 14-15" long.



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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Crazy Matt » Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:31 am

Some pintails in Texas. Shot one in the face last week.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby steve-o » Tue Nov 19, 2013 9:05 am

Crazy Matt wrote:Some pintails in Texas. Shot one in the face last week.

Oh how I love shooting them in the face.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:34 am

It's amazing to me how many dead snow geese we see every morning.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby t_baker » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:37 am

ByersFarm wrote:It's amazing to me how many dead snow geese we see every morning.

From what?

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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby D Comeaux » Wed Nov 20, 2013 8:41 am

ByersFarm wrote:It's amazing to me how many dead snow geese we see every morning.


Dead, as in natural causes?
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby teddysberna » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:05 am

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ByersFarm wrote:It's amazing to me how many dead snow geese we see every morning.


Dead, as in natural causes?



You just let em lay or what?

Guess the eagles and coyotes gotta eat...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:14 am

I'm not sure what the cause is. My guess would be injuries from being shot. It's the norm to see at least ten in every field they've roosted in overnight.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby MarkM » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:19 am

ByersFarm wrote:I'm not sure what the cause is. My guess would be injuries from being shot. It's the norm to see at least ten in every field they've roosted in overnight.

That is what happens when you don't shoot 7/8 oz of BB's out of a full choke going 1900 FPS from a Mossberg 935...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby OGblackcloud » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:22 am

MarkM wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:I'm not sure what the cause is. My guess would be injuries from being shot. It's the norm to see at least ten in every field they've roosted in overnight.

That is what happens when you shoot 7/8 oz of BB's out of a full choke going 1900 FPS from a Mossberg 935...

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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby teddysberna » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:25 am

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ByersFarm wrote:I'm not sure what the cause is. My guess would be injuries from being shot. It's the norm to see at least ten in every field they've roosted in overnight.



You check them for bands??
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Nov 20, 2013 9:37 am

teddysberna wrote::yes:
ByersFarm wrote:I'm not sure what the cause is. My guess would be injuries from being shot. It's the norm to see at least ten in every field they've roosted in overnight.



You check them for bands??

I look at them if we are in the field, otherwise I don't go to the effort of tracking out there.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby possumfoot » Wed Nov 20, 2013 10:55 am

my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:24 am

possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby possumfoot » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:35 am

cholera typicly only affects weak and old birds.. natural selection, but carried out by a bacteria.. as far as i can remeber, i have only ever seen cholera kills affect snows... weak and sick ducks are usually taken by hunters and other forms of predation.. with snows, the numbers game works overwhelmingly to their advantage..
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:16 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:21 pm

ByersFarm wrote:
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possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby CrazyDrake » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:25 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.
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