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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:28 pm

ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.



If that is the case, why do they care if you release mallards?

Ignoring the chance of introduction of new pathogens, as longs as they are certified 'clean'.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:30 pm

CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:31 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.



If that is the case, why do they care if you release mallards?

Ignoring the chance of introduction of new pathogens, as longs as they are certified 'clean'.

Are you talkin about pen raised birds released on canned duck shoots?
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:35 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.



If that is the case, why do they care if you release mallards?

Ignoring the chance of introduction of new pathogens, as longs as they are certified 'clean'.

Are you talkin about pen raised birds released on canned duck shoots?


No, more like frost mallards...

Not really interested in doing it myself, but to tell someone they can't create their own waterfowl paradise by releasing mallards and citing a reason that equally applies and affects other operations who are not told no, is a little hypocritical is all.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:46 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.



If that is the case, why do they care if you release mallards?

Ignoring the chance of introduction of new pathogens, as longs as they are certified 'clean'.

Are you talkin about pen raised birds released on canned duck shoots?


No, more like frost mallards...

Not really interested in doing it myself, but to tell someone they can't create their own waterfowl paradise by releasing mallards and citing a reason that equally applies and affects other operations who are not told no, is a little hypocritical is all.

what is a 'frost mallard'?
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:50 pm

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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:55 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:http://www.frostwaterfowl.com/

yea...just what I said...canned release duck hunting:
Frost staff will provide consultation for Mallard Release Programs on your privately managed habitat. The long term goal of the program is to restore quality duck hunting and provide quality service. This Program has grown exponentially in the southeast with the greatest concentration of projects currently being in SC, MD, VA, and NC, with rapid expansion occurring in other southeastern states. This program is designed to let you experience duck hunting on your property that approaches wild duck hunting. If the release plan is properly executed you will experience just that, excellent duck hunting. The Frost Release System is a detailed step by step plan that also includes unlimited telephone support from our biologist for a period of one year. Frost is also available for on site consultation and can help with habitat design and implementation.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Westtennduckhunter » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:57 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 12:58 pm

Westtennduckhunter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.

that will herd them to guns...that's for sure.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby teddysberna » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:00 pm

Westtennduckhunter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.



Heard a story from my buddy who hunts Arky every year that this scenario happened and some guys shot the schit out of them until they got busted... That would be a ton of fun while it lasted though...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:00 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:http://www.frostwaterfowl.com/

yea...just what I said...canned release duck hunting:
Frost staff will provide consultation for Mallard Release Programs on your privately managed habitat. The long term goal of the program is to restore quality duck hunting and provide quality service. This Program has grown exponentially in the southeast with the greatest concentration of projects currently being in SC, MD, VA, and NC, with rapid expansion occurring in other southeastern states. This program is designed to let you experience duck hunting on your property that approaches wild duck hunting. If the release plan is properly executed you will experience just that, excellent duck hunting. The Frost Release System is a detailed step by step plan that also includes unlimited telephone support from our biologist for a period of one year. Frost is also available for on site consultation and can help with habitat design and implementation.


No, They claim they mimic wild ducks and will fly south, when you say canned I think of a "tower shoot"... but that is not what I am arguing. I don't think it is ethical, but I was just wondering why they would cite that as a problem if as Byers said, it is a natural phenomenon that can't be stopped.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:05 pm

WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:http://www.frostwaterfowl.com/

yea...just what I said...canned release duck hunting:
Frost staff will provide consultation for Mallard Release Programs on your privately managed habitat. The long term goal of the program is to restore quality duck hunting and provide quality service. This Program has grown exponentially in the southeast with the greatest concentration of projects currently being in SC, MD, VA, and NC, with rapid expansion occurring in other southeastern states. This program is designed to let you experience duck hunting on your property that approaches wild duck hunting. If the release plan is properly executed you will experience just that, excellent duck hunting. The Frost Release System is a detailed step by step plan that also includes unlimited telephone support from our biologist for a period of one year. Frost is also available for on site consultation and can help with habitat design and implementation.


No, They claim they mimic wild ducks and will fly south, when you say canned I think of a "tower shoot"... but that is not what I am arguing. I don't think it is ethical, but I was just wondering why they would cite that as a problem if as Byers said, it is a natural phenomenon that can't be stopped.

capable of flying south, and actually flying south are different. Most of the places I've seen do this sort of thing, the birds are local. It is legal to shoot release birds over bait. many of these places feed daily and the birds know where the feed is. The blinds are situated so you are shooting over the feed. ducks leave the local roost and fly to the feed, Bam-the clients shoot them.
Not my cup of tea for a duck hunt, but many in the SE do it.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Westtennduckhunter » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:07 pm

teddysberna wrote:
Westtennduckhunter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.



Heard a story from my buddy who hunts Arky every year that this scenario happened and some guys shot the schit out of them until they got busted... That would be a ton of fun while it lasted though...


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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby KAhunter » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:46 pm

Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:http://www.frostwaterfowl.com/

yea...just what I said...canned release duck hunting:
Frost staff will provide consultation for Mallard Release Programs on your privately managed habitat. The long term goal of the program is to restore quality duck hunting and provide quality service. This Program has grown exponentially in the southeast with the greatest concentration of projects currently being in SC, MD, VA, and NC, with rapid expansion occurring in other southeastern states. This program is designed to let you experience duck hunting on your property that approaches wild duck hunting. If the release plan is properly executed you will experience just that, excellent duck hunting. The Frost Release System is a detailed step by step plan that also includes unlimited telephone support from our biologist for a period of one year. Frost is also available for on site consultation and can help with habitat design and implementation.


No, They claim they mimic wild ducks and will fly south, when you say canned I think of a "tower shoot"... but that is not what I am arguing. I don't think it is ethical, but I was just wondering why they would cite that as a problem if as Byers said, it is a natural phenomenon that can't be stopped.

Look they are cracking down on cyberscouting and skybusting in North Carolina. Give us a break. How else are we supposed to kill ducks.
capable of flying south, and actually flying south are different. Most of the places I've seen do this sort of thing, the birds are local. It is legal to shoot release birds over bait. many of these places feed daily and the birds know where the feed is. The blinds are situated so you are shooting over the feed. ducks leave the local roost and fly to the feed, Bam-the clients shoot them.
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:47 pm

teddysberna wrote:
Westtennduckhunter wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
CrazyDrake wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:
ByersFarm wrote:
WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:
possumfoot wrote:my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.



Heard a story from my buddy who hunts Arky every year that this scenario happened and some guys shot the schit out of them until they got busted... That would be a ton of fun while it lasted though...

They made the wife mad. Evidently geese were falling into the house and knocking wedding pictures off the wall. From what I here it flat worked.
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Postby Indaswamp » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:50 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: for realz?!?! If so -DAMN that is funny!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby WoodyWhiffingMG » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:51 pm

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yea...just what I said...canned release duck hunting:
Frost staff will provide consultation for Mallard Release Programs on your privately managed habitat. The long term goal of the program is to restore quality duck hunting and provide quality service. This Program has grown exponentially in the southeast with the greatest concentration of projects currently being in SC, MD, VA, and NC, with rapid expansion occurring in other southeastern states. This program is designed to let you experience duck hunting on your property that approaches wild duck hunting. If the release plan is properly executed you will experience just that, excellent duck hunting. The Frost Release System is a detailed step by step plan that also includes unlimited telephone support from our biologist for a period of one year. Frost is also available for on site consultation and can help with habitat design and implementation.


No, They claim they mimic wild ducks and will fly south, when you say canned I think of a "tower shoot"... but that is not what I am arguing. I don't think it is ethical, but I was just wondering why they would cite that as a problem if as Byers said, it is a natural phenomenon that can't be stopped.

capable of flying south, and actually flying south are different. Most of the places I've seen do this sort of thing, the birds are local. It is legal to shoot release birds over bait. many of these places feed daily and the birds know where the feed is. The blinds are situated so you are shooting over the feed. ducks leave the local roost and fly to the feed, Bam-the clients shoot them.
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Not my cup of tea either, but the article/government document I read claimed that the argument to make it illegal was based on the spread of disease...
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby Westtennduckhunter » Wed Nov 20, 2013 1:57 pm

ByersFarm wrote:
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WoodyWhiffingMG wrote:[quote="possumfoot"]my guess would be a combo of shoot birds (probably making up the fewest dead birds), age, a weak strain of cholera, other diseases.. old birds die quick from cholera, it becomes a problem when infected birds live and continue to contaminate the area.. we usually have a cholera die off here once or twice a season..


I was wondering about this lately...

I was reading about releasing waterfowl and the concerns FWS has about it. Disease is the largest concern they have, and the overwhelming consensus is that disease is of highest concern because of the tendency for there to be large quantities of birds in limited space.

So, my question for them would have been, if that is the case why do large waterfowl operations (like WMAs, Hunt Clubs, etc...)not have this same issue?

Now after reading your post, my question for you, Byers, et' al (including the government WMAs and such) would be, do the befits provided to the waterfowl by your farms out way the risk of wide spread disease outbreak?


The only thing that can be done to stop them from grouping together in large flocks is to kill them all. They will group up whenever, and wherever they want. If I ran off the 400k+ that we have today, they would move on down the line and land somewhere else. Snow geese are a real concern, and more should be done to reduce their population.

I can be done, but they have set the rules in place to make it 'sporting'. they need to remove all the regs. that pertain to snows and the population would drop dramatically. Guns alone won't do it IMO....



I agree. I'd love to throw some hand grenades out in the middle of a big group! Maybe a land mine or two.

The problem is with the collateral damage to other species like specks and ducks mixed in with the snows using stuff like that. a line of 100 people armed with .22's from a ways away will be way more effective. far enough away so the shot does not spook them off the ground, yet close enough for the shots to be accurate. you could decimate a flock on the ground.


Remote controlled air planes.



Heard a story from my buddy who hunts Arky every year that this scenario happened and some guys shot the schit out of them until they got busted... That would be a ton of fun while it lasted though...

They made the wife mad. Evidently geese were falling into the house and knocking wedding pictures off the wall. From what I here it flat worked.[/quote]

I heard windows and such were busted.
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Postby Underradar » Wed Nov 20, 2013 2:30 pm

The geese you find dead in the fields, of course, you know they mate for life. The dead ones died of broken hearts, their mates shot or taken by eagles.

That's why, if two fly in, I only shoot one of them.
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Postby ByersFarm » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:09 am

Indaswamp wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: for realz?!?! If so -DAMN that is funny!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


They were sitting in lawn chairs and breaking windows out the trucks parked around the house. The airplane worked. It would do what we all want to do to snows.
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Postby whistlin_wings » Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:22 am

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Indaswamp wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: for realz?!?! If so -DAMN that is funny!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


They were sitting in lawn chairs and breaking windows out the trucks parked around the house. The airplane worked. It would do what we all want to do to snows.

How much were they selling ammo for a box?
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Re: Byers Farm Migration

Postby ByersFarm » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:49 am

It's been an odd year so far. The young birds continue to surprise. I remember rarely killing an eclipsed mallard before this season. Possibly only once. This year we are killing a very high percentage of them.
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Postby SpinnerMan » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:01 am

ByersFarm wrote:It's been an odd year so far. The young birds continue to surprise. I remember rarely killing an eclipsed mallard before this season. Possibly only once. This year we are killing a very high percentage of them.

That's weird because we usually kill a few and I didn't see a one. All were beautifully colored drakes. Although we didn't kill many at all compared to normal, so that could have more to do with it.
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Postby jaysweet3 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:34 am

This thread needs to be a sticky. If there are too many at the top of the page, just bump off the central flyway rambler to make room.
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Postby WTN10 » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:52 am

jaysweet3 wrote:This thread needs to be a sticky. If there are too many at the top of the page, just bump off the central flyway rambler to make room.


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