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China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Underradar » Tue Dec 03, 2013 12:52 pm

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Friday, November 1, 2013
The Shutdown Of The Hua Chin Brass Mines and Brass Smelter

As has been reported in many places, the China National Mineral Company will be closing their brass mining complex and brass smelting plant in Hua Chin City, China. The closure of the only primary brass mine and brass smelter plant that produces brass from brass ore is due to the China Environmental Police's ten-fold increase in air standards for brass, and due to low brass prices from the USA.

The Hsin-Hua China News Agency provided a quick summary:

In December, the final primary brass mines and brass smelter in China will close. The brass mines complex and brass smelter, located in Chin Hua City, China, and owned and operated by the China National Mineral Company, has existed in the same location since 1922.

The Chin Hua mine complex and smelter is currently the only smelter in the world which can produce brass bullion from raw brass ore that is mined nearby in Chin Hua City's extensive brass deposits, giving the smelter its "primary" designation. The brass bullion produced in Chin Hua City is then sold to brass product producers, including ammunition manufacturers for use in conventional ammunition components such as projectiles and casings. China National Mineral Company made significant efforts to reduce brass emissions from the smelter, but in 2012 the China Federal Environmental Police Agency issued new National Air Quality Standards for brass that were 10 times tighter than the previous standard. Given the new brass air quality standard, and low brass prices from the primary purchaser, the USA government and ammunition manufacturer middlemen, China National Mineral Company made the decision to close the mines and the smelter.

Most ammunition uses brass as one of its primary components whether in bullets or casings, said spokesperson, Mi Suo Honi. China does not use brass in its ammunition, using steel casings instead.

The main question asked is “Will this shut down the supply of USA ammunion?” The answer to that is perhaps, unless the USA re-tools and switches to steel case ammunition production, or uses more expensive recycled brass. Could this decrease in supply and increase in demand also create an increase in price? Sure, but again, by how much is unknown at this time. However, the demand for recycled brass will undoubtedly begin to rise as ammunition manufacturers may increase their consumption of recycled brass.

Ammunition prices have risen with demand but the price of raw brass ore has not risen in kind, justifying the closure of the mines. Where it will end, no one knows.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby jaysweet3 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:25 pm

Remember the active shells?
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Underradar » Tue Dec 03, 2013 1:56 pm

jaysweet3 wrote:Remember the active shells?

"Activ"
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby jaysweet3 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:17 pm

Underradar wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:Remember the active shells?

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China to cut off US brass supply

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There are ways around those sneaky chinamen.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby ScaupHunter » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:20 pm

First the lead smelter, now the brass mine and smelter. Whats next, Steel and Aluminum?

Look out boys we are going to be shooting at ducks with sling shots and glass marbles. :lol3:
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby deliriousII » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:21 pm

as if .22LR wasn't hard enough to get now....
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby TexasPuddleJumper » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:24 pm

jaysweet3 wrote:
Underradar wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:Remember the active shells?

"Activ"

Whatever

the plastic shells? didn't kent buy them out?
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm just saying it is ill advised...
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby jaysweet3 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:32 pm

TexasPuddleJumper wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:
Underradar wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:Remember the active shells?

"Activ"

Whatever

the plastic shells? didn't kent buy them out?

I don't know whatever happens to them. They could be around still, for all I know. I do remember them saying you weren't supposed to reload those hulls. But they were the easiest reloading hulls out there.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby ArkansasRobertson » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:35 pm

ScaupHunter wrote:First the lead smelter, now the brass mine and smelter. Whats next, Steel and Aluminum?

Look out boys we are going to be shooting at ducks with sling shots and glass marbles. :lol3:


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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Underradar » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:38 pm

The Chinese have the brass balls. We don't.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby TexasPuddleJumper » Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:41 pm

jaysweet3 wrote:
TexasPuddleJumper wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:
Underradar wrote:
jaysweet3 wrote:Remember the active shells?

"Activ"

Whatever

the plastic shells? didn't kent buy them out?

I don't know whatever happens to them. They could be around still, for all I know. I do remember them saying you weren't supposed to reload those hulls. But they were the easiest reloading hulls out there.

I had some issues with them tearing up when my dad was shooting them through his 1100. Never happened to me in my autoloaders or pump guns. They were great to reload though.
I'm not saying that it shouldn't be done, I'm just saying it is ill advised...
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby greenster » Tue Dec 03, 2013 3:12 pm

deliriousII wrote:as if .22LR wasn't hard enough to get now....



:huh:

They aren't.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby clampdaddy » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:54 pm

Brass ore? Never heard of that. If only we still had all that copper we sold them. Add a little tin, done.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby luie b » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:00 pm

clampdaddy wrote:Brass ore? Never heard of that. If only we still had all that copper we sold them. Add a little tin, done.

I was about to say but yea brass isn't mined it's made from copper and some other metal i can't think of...
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Underradar » Tue Dec 03, 2013 7:53 pm

Whaaaaat?
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Westtennduckhunter » Tue Dec 03, 2013 8:03 pm

luie b wrote:
clampdaddy wrote:Brass ore? Never heard of that. If only we still had all that copper we sold them. Add a little tin, done.

I was about to say but yea brass isn't mined it's made from copper and some other metal i can't think of...


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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby Hugatree » Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:12 am

We might suffer for a time but Americans are doers. Someone will come in and find an alternative as long as we are free to exercise the profit motive.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby ArkansasRobertson » Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:28 am

Hugatree wrote:We might suffer for a time but Americans are doers. Someone will come in and find an alternative as long as we are free to exercise the profit motive.


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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby ScaupHunter » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:04 am

There are huge copper mines in Arizona guys. My brother in law works at one. Tin is not hard to come by. The various ammo manufacturers will just use a different supplier for their brass.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby MarkM » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:12 am

Hugatree wrote:We might suffer for a time but Americans are doers. Someone will come in and find an alternative as long as we are free to exercise the profit motive.

This is why it was being bought from China. Higher profit margins. They get paid $0.10/hour, whereas their American counterpart will want $17/hour.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby OGblackcloud » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:47 am

I heard that a bunch of workers at that smelting plant in China got sick. The fumes and chemicals made them crazy . Part of the reason their gonna shut the place down.
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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby ArkansasRobertson » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:48 am

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Re: China to cut off US brass supply

Postby OGblackcloud » Wed Dec 04, 2013 10:51 am

Seems that those nut cases killed some people now. Their calling it SMELTER SKELTER
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