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Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby ncenglert » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:03 am

Hi,
My friend and I were hunting a corn field in the snow in New Hampshire and killed this duck. Can anyone help with the identification for me?
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby JuniorPre 360 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:11 am

The Waterfowler posted a while ago of this subject. He's probably the best of the best when it comes to explaining this stuff on the forum.

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=119082&p=912204&hilit=+chromosome#p912204
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:27 am

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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:28 am

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Here are some more pictures of this duck. Let me know what you think.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby ncenglert » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:28 am

Thanks for the help, what throws me on this is we killed it in December, all our ducks are colored up nicely now. It was large...too large to be a juvenile...and it didn't have the white neck ring like other drakes and did have tan rather than black feathers all throughout the body and back.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby SpinnerMan » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:38 am

It just looks like a mallard drake in the process of going from the eclipse to the breeding plumage.

Why was it late? Image

http://birding.about.com/od/Identify-Bird-Families/ss/Mallard-Identification_3.htm
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Where everybody seems to be getting a lot of eclipse birds late this year, the few we got were colored up early. My buddy got a perfect drake on our opening day with bright orange feet, great color, and 4 curls that he is getting mounted.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:48 am

Is this duck just late? Don't they pair up in early Fall up here?
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Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby Botiz630 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:49 am

SpinnerMan wrote:It just looks like a mallard drake in the process of going from the eclipse to the breeding plumage.

Why was it late? Image

http://birding.about.com/od/Identify-Bird-Families/ss/Mallard-Identification_3.htm
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Where everybody seems to be getting a lot of eclipse birds late this year, the few we got were colored up early. My buddy got a perfect drake on our opening day with bright orange feet, great color, and 4 curls that he is getting mounted.


To me, the bill on the duck in question looks orange. I think even an eclipse drake has the yellow bill.
It needs more cowbell.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby ncenglert » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:54 am

The bill was yellow on the outside with a orange color in the middle
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby Botiz630 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 11:58 am

ncenglert wrote:The bill was yellow on the outside with a orange color in the middle


Happen to have any better pics of the bill?
It needs more cowbell.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby Botiz630 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:04 pm

If it was yellow than I'm saying eclipse drake.

To me it looked orange, but I zoomed in just now and it does seem to be yellow. I'm gonna change my vote to eclipse drake.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby OGblackcloud » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:10 pm

SpinnerMan wrote:It just looks like a mallard drake in the process of going from the eclipse to the breeding plumage.

Why was it late? Image

http://birding.about.com/od/Identify-Bird-Families/ss/Mallard-Identification_3.htm
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Where everybody seems to be getting a lot of eclipse birds late this year, the few we got were colored up early. My buddy got a perfect drake on our opening day with bright orange feet, great color, and 4 curls that he is getting mounted.

Yep :thumbsup:
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:29 pm

Yes to Eclipse drake? Also, during this plumage change, aren't ducks flightless? Just trying to learn more on the subject. Thanks!
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby i_willie12 » Fri Dec 13, 2013 1:34 pm

Was a lot of late hatching this year :thumbsup:
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby T Man » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:05 pm

DuckHunterTy wrote:Yes to Eclipse drake? Also, during this plumage change, aren't ducks flightless? Just trying to learn more on the subject. Thanks!


I believe yhey are only flightless in the spring when they molt their flight feathers. Eclipse drakes aren't necessarily juvies. They
Go into eclipse plumage while they are flightless
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:16 pm

How long do they stay in this Eclipse plumage?
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby youngoilguy » Sat Dec 14, 2013 1:05 pm

I shot one like that this year with a hen bill. Weird.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby T Man » Sat Dec 14, 2013 2:06 pm

DuckHunterTy wrote:How long do they stay in this Eclipse plumage?


Ducks, though, shed most of their feathers twice each year, and in mid-summer most male ducks moult from the bright and colourful breeding plumage into a drab, female-like “eclipse plumage”. The reason for this is that ducks have a rapid but complete moult after breeding, dropping both body and wing feathers, and for a few weeks are completely flightless. Temporarily unable to escape predators by flying away, many male ducks have opted to do what the females do for most of the year and merge safely into the background

http://www.talking-naturally.co.uk/eclipse-plumage/
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby kdog » Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:31 pm

Old hen mallard
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby T Man » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:10 pm

kdog wrote:Old hen mallard


Really? There is nothing hen like on that bird
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby Einstein » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:17 pm

I've noticed on many votes people are often way off base, but this one is an exception, it is as stated, an eclipse drake.
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby DuckHunterTy » Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:57 am

Huh. Good information. I think I might still have it mounted. Never seen a mallard like this.

So because of the season and my location in the Northeast, it's safe to assume this is a local, non migrating duck?
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Re: Hermaphrodite Mallard?

Postby T Man » Sun Dec 15, 2013 10:13 am

DuckHunterTy wrote:Huh. Good information. I think I might still have it mounted. Never seen a mallard like this.

So because of the season and my location in the Northeast, it's safe to assume this is a local, non migrating duck?



No. They will replace their flight feathers then body feathers. It is odd to see one this late in the season but the late nest pushed everything back, including the molt
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