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Re: Bait caster

Postby Papachessie » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:07 am

You get a lot more even pressure on fish with a baitcaster. Tiring them faster. You have to pump a spinning outfit, not a casting setup. At least on the size fish we catch on inland lakes. You can cast a lot farther and more accurately with heavier line too.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby Papachessie » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:13 am

T Man wrote:
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t_baker wrote:
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t_baker wrote:What do you crappie fish with?
All my ultralight stuff is spinning. Crappie pole is a spin cast, but I don't care much for it.

Almost all of my salt inshore and surf is casting. I'm building a heavy jetty rig that will be spinning.


Building rods looks like it would be a good time. I have a friend that does it, amazing how nice they can come out.

My last one:
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Ill bet that goes really well with your purse. Does Barbie have a travel case so it doesn't get damaged during transport?

Ha ha, in all seriousness that is very cool. I would love to build one myself if I even had half a clue where to start. I havent found a rod yet that suits how I catfish out of my boat.

Not that hard once your past the learning curve. Get a book. Don't do like I did and try to learn yourself. That makes the learning curve extremely steep. www.jannsnetcraft.com mudhole.com and BarlowsTackle.com have all you need to learn. Mudhole even has classes if you want to go to Florida.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:21 am

Papachessie wrote:Not that hard once your past the learning curve. Get a book. Don't do like I did and try to learn yourself. That makes the learning curve extremely steep. http://www.jannsnetcraft.com mudhole.com and BarlowsTackle.com have all you need to learn. Mudhole even has classes if you want to go to Florida.

Lots of youtube videos too. Rodbuilding.org also has more info than one can digest. I didn't get a book, but there was a lot of screen time. I built my own hand wrapper from scrap lumber, it's working just fine. Do wish for a power wrapper for those 10' shark rods though. They take mucho time.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby grizz18 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:36 am

bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:58 am

grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.

Have you tried those Microwaves? I fished with her rod a little, not enough to judge, then the boat decided to act up and went to the shop. They're cathcing on down here (even in the baitcasters, which I don't get.)
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Re: Bait caster

Postby grizz18 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:03 am

bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.

Have you tried those Microwaves? I fished with her rod a little, not enough to judge, then the boat decided to act up and went to the shop. They're cathcing on down here (even in the baitcasters, which I don't get.)


Never heard of them.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:48 am

grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.

Have you tried those Microwaves? I fished with her rod a little, not enough to judge, then the boat decided to act up and went to the shop. They're cathcing on down here (even in the baitcasters, which I don't get.)


Never heard of them.

I posted a link a few posts back. Take a look.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby Indaswamp » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:27 am

got a buddy that repairs rods. if it is broke anywhere in the top 20% of the rod-he can fix it. charges $7.00 for the repair. I would not use them for a worm rod, but for just about everything else they work well. He turns the rod on a rotisserie motor after he epoxies the eyes.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby grizz18 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:40 am

bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.

Have you tried those Microwaves? I fished with her rod a little, not enough to judge, then the boat decided to act up and went to the shop. They're cathcing on down here (even in the baitcasters, which I don't get.)


Never heard of them.

I posted a link a few posts back. Take a look.


Pretty cool.. May have to look into those.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:43 am

Indaswamp wrote:got a buddy that repairs rods. if it is broke anywhere in the top 20% of the rod-he can fix it. charges $7.00 for the repair. I would not use them for a worm rod, but for just about everything else they work well. He turns the rod on a rotisserie motor after he epoxies the eyes.

Yeah, after the finish is applied, it has to be on a dryer for ~4hrs to keep it even all around. 9-18 RPM is most common, but some dry on up to 200 rpm. Actual rotisserie motors are usually slower, around 1rpm. I wanted to make the dryer, ended up just buying one.

I still want to make a power wrapper, just need an old sewing machine with the foot pedal so I can scavenge the motor.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:44 am

grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
grizz18 wrote:
bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.


I use spinners for trout/reds, I just can't get used to the low profile baitcasters for anything but bass.... I know that makes zero sense just a stupid personal thing. I do have a problem with wind knots, hate that schit.

Have you tried those Microwaves? I fished with her rod a little, not enough to judge, then the boat decided to act up and went to the shop. They're cathcing on down here (even in the baitcasters, which I don't get.)


Never heard of them.

I posted a link a few posts back. Take a look.


Pretty cool.. May have to look into those.

You know, I just remembered that on that last trip, that brand new battle stopped working. The bail wouldn't lock back to cast. That problem was overshadowed in my mind by the Etec's lack of charging...
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Re: Bait caster

Postby grizz18 » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:02 pm

No problems with mine so far, got it last summer. Pretty pleased with it. I let the wife use it the first day I bought it, also her first time really fishing. She caught the inshore slam and a 25-26" red for her first one!

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Re: Bait caster

Postby Feelin' Fowl » Sun Apr 06, 2014 12:14 pm

bighop wrote:
Feelin' Fowl wrote::lol: But why?

I can't work a topwater right on a spinner, but some can. I end up with a lot less fatigue at the end of the day with a baitcaster, we only throw artificials, so there's a little work to it. Spinners can put more drag to a fish than a baitcaster in similar sizes, which is why they're more popular in FL, from what I hear. They have more chance of a tarpon or snook slurping down that trout lure than we do. I use braid and don't get wind knots in my baitcasters, which is more of a problem with braid on spinners. It's just personal preference. Unless you're cool, then you use a baitcaster.



Thank you, sir. I think I'll stay not cool for a while. I'm a fan of trying to catch the biggest bass I possibly can on ultralight gear. Looks like there's no need for a baitcaster right now.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby T Man » Mon Apr 07, 2014 9:01 am

bighop wrote:
T Man wrote:Ha ha, in all seriousness that is very cool. I would love to build one myself if I even had half a clue where to start. I havent found a rod yet that suits how I catfish out of my boat.

Anything like this? http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?t=658313


Pretty close. I chase flatheads instead of blues, but I either find a rod with a really sensitive tip and no backbone or a ton of backbone and a tip that wont show light takes from flatheads. I have been using a rod with a sensitive tip and sacrificing the backbone and have gotten away with it so far, but I know eventually I will hook up on a fish big enough to break it. I bought a couple of 8' rods for drifting, but I like the 7's for anchored fishing. Seems easier to fight fish from the boat with a 7'
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Re: Bait caster

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:13 am

T Man wrote:
bighop wrote:
T Man wrote:Ha ha, in all seriousness that is very cool. I would love to build one myself if I even had half a clue where to start. I havent found a rod yet that suits how I catfish out of my boat.

Anything like this? http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?t=658313


Pretty close. I chase flatheads instead of blues, but I either find a rod with a really sensitive tip and no backbone or a ton of backbone and a tip that wont show light takes from flatheads. I have been using a rod with a sensitive tip and sacrificing the backbone and have gotten away with it so far, but I know eventually I will hook up on a fish big enough to break it. I bought a couple of 8' rods for drifting, but I like the 7's for anchored fishing. Seems easier to fight fish from the boat with a 7'

have you looked at bass flipping rods? lots of back bone with a fast tip....
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Re: Bait caster

Postby OHIODUCKA5 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:20 am

these guys make a great rod G loomis blanks

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Re: Bait caster

Postby bighop » Mon Apr 07, 2014 10:23 am

Indaswamp wrote:
T Man wrote:
bighop wrote:
T Man wrote:Ha ha, in all seriousness that is very cool. I would love to build one myself if I even had half a clue where to start. I havent found a rod yet that suits how I catfish out of my boat.

Anything like this? http://2coolfishing.com/ttmbforum/showthread.php?t=658313


Pretty close. I chase flatheads instead of blues, but I either find a rod with a really sensitive tip and no backbone or a ton of backbone and a tip that wont show light takes from flatheads. I have been using a rod with a sensitive tip and sacrificing the backbone and have gotten away with it so far, but I know eventually I will hook up on a fish big enough to break it. I bought a couple of 8' rods for drifting, but I like the 7's for anchored fishing. Seems easier to fight fish from the boat with a 7'

have you looked at bass flipping rods? lots of back bone with a fast tip....

He needs a slower tip. Most fast actions have too much tip. He'll likely be happier with a mod, maybe mod-fast tip.

I just finished a similar, though smaller build and the blank was tough to find. I wanted a bait casting rod to throw weightless soft plastics to tailing reds. Took a while to find a tip that would load with a 1/16 oz total weight and have the backbone for slot reds.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby T Man » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:02 pm

Indaswamp wrote:have you looked at bass flipping rods? lots of back bone with a fast tip....


Not many bass rods are designed to regularly fight 20-40lb+ fish and horse them out of cover or current.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby grizz18 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:55 pm

T Man wrote:
Indaswamp wrote:have you looked at bass flipping rods? lots of back bone with a fast tip....


Not many bass rods are designed to regularly fight 20-40lb+ fish and horse them out of cover or current.


My terramar (shimano) 7' med-Hev would do the trick. I used it for deep water flounder and have caught 5' rays that would be comp to a 20-30lb cat
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Re: Bait caster

Postby Indaswamp » Mon Apr 07, 2014 2:37 pm

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Indaswamp wrote:have you looked at bass flipping rods? lots of back bone with a fast tip....


Not many bass rods are designed to regularly fight 20-40lb+ fish and horse them out of cover or current.

I found one I used for cranking gold spoons for redfishing until it broke one day. I had it in a rod holder and a bull red hit the dead minnow still on the hook with about 12 ft. of line out (I had just caught a speckled trout). He snapped the rod when it hung on the rear cleat on the gunwale...
I could handle 25lb. reds in current.

But you are right, not many out there..You might need to look at saltwater rods. there are offshore jigging rods that have backbone and sensitive tips.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby t_baker » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:28 pm

Went to bass pro today. Looked at reels. More confused than ever
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Re: Bait caster

Postby quacknstack6 » Mon Apr 07, 2014 3:47 pm

t_baker wrote:Went to bass pro today. Looked at reels. More confused than ever

Get the $80 lews and be done, dammit.
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Re: Bait caster

Postby T Man » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:51 pm

t_baker wrote:Went to bass pro today. Looked at reels. More confused than ever


Buy the most expensive reel. Its probably the best and its not my money.
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Re: Bait caster

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Re: Bait caster

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t_baker wrote:Went to bass pro today. Looked at reels. More confused than ever

Get the $80 lews and be done, dammit.

Either I'm blind or they don't exist at our BPS, but I couldn't find a Lew's today.
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