Thanks guys. I was a bit worried as this is my 1st time training a dog. At every corner we turned I was asking the vets if Im doing things right/wrong/different, ect. Everyone tried to assure me that the dogs potential is more genetic than anything, Im not sure that was what I wanted to hear. The breeder also tried to sway me from a male because some of the german breeds are thick headed, which he was. There were plenty of times the dog was sent out to do the work and he didnt fully understand what it was, the work also interfered with what he wanted to do. Id just scratch my head and listen to what was being said.
I had also done so much bird work that obedience was becoming an issue, and nobody was shy about telling me that. As a result I was working with a nice lady who trains show dogs or some funky biz like that. I cant tell you how resistant I was to listening to a trainer who says Im holding the leash wrong and wont let me strangle the dog with it. All her work was done with a check cord and leads, f@ck it seemed like I was wasting my time. Then one day Im out at colliers and some old timer who has several great dogs under his belt laid into me about the dogs behavior. This ol' fart had a e-collar on a 12 week short hair, and here I am negotiating with a six month old dickhead about anything he didnt consider fun. The next day I ordered a collar. I come to realize that the entire time Im out at the county park walking him around like a show pony that he was listening and learning. Very rarely do I use the collar and obedience is no longer an issue (for the most part).