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swimming river hunting

Postby ransomvt5 » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:34 am

is duck hunting allowe on the river? looks good from the road, especially near the parkway. i have a small 14' floater ,thanks!
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Postby jerseywaterfowler » Tue Dec 25, 2007 8:39 pm

If you are talking to the west of the GSP, Don't know, been back there crabbing in the summer,fishing can be good to. I would check with town of Tinton Falls to see who owns the land.
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Postby ransomvt5 » Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:09 am

can you hunt out of a floater if you keep your boat in the water? is there any distance you have to stay away from a blind? i was looking at the area down river of the gsp. thanks!!!!
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Postby stevez » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:12 pm

Generally tidal water is huntable with consideration of the all important 450 foot safety zone ofcourse. Why don't you PM crewchief? He hunts up that way I think.
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Postby Modified_Choking » Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:24 am

I have been meaning to check into this area myself. So, being the super-sleuther that I like to be, I've done a little homework for the greater good. :smile: If anyone wants more details other than specified below...feel free to contact me.

West of the GSP:
From the centerline of the River...the natural/riparian area north of the Swimming River is owned by Middletown Township and the south side of the River is owned by the Boro of Tinton Falls. Simplified tax record use codes indicates either LAKE (Middletown) or PARK (Tinton Falls) - common codes for natural areas.

East of the GSP:
Within Tinton Falls...Pine Brook drains into the Swimming River (flowing from south to north). The natural/riparian area on either side of Pine Brook from approximately 750 feet upstream of Riverdale Ave. heading downstream to the confluence with the Swimming River AND running a bit upstream and downstream (where the River bends North) along the Swimming River (note: still within Tinton Falls - not Middletown) is owned by NJDEP. A simplified tax record use code indicates PARK. Other NJDEP records, namely the NJDEP GIS mapping data layer for NJ open space indicates that the land is the "Swimming River Natural Area".

Regarding Natural Areas...According to NJ Administrative code 7:5A-1.9 Interim management practices:

"19. Public use of natural areas shall be allowed only to the extent and in a manner that will not impair natural features; the administering agency may restrict access and use as necessary to protect the natural area. The following are permissible public uses of natural areas:

i. Hunting, trapping, and fishing are permitted in accordance with 7:25-5 and 7:25-6; except for the stocking of fish and game, habitats may not be manipulated for the purpose of enhancing hunting, trapping, or fishing;..."

Other rules may apply, so I would check with the NJDEP to be safe. FYI...I'm going to check with them cuz I want to know.

Practically speaking...it appears as if there are two pockets of potentially huntable land in the vicinity barring any municipal codes against hunting.

1. The smaller of the two is on the west side (which will be closing in a few days- North Zone). However, this is a very small pocket due to residential on either side of the River. :thumbsdown:

2. The other would be the Natural Area but upstream of Riverdale Ave is a bit sketchy because of the road itself and residential homes; effectually no shot angles in my opinion. :thumbsdown: The area downstream of Riverdale Ave could be promising. :thumbsup:
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Postby JerseyCharlie » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:32 am

I inquired about waterfowling on Swimming River a while ago on the other NJ site, and was so much as told "stay away the locals don't want you there." A Rumson policeman who hunts the Naversink River once told me there is an area on Swimming River that is legal but he wan't sure where, but then again I also was told by the guy who works at the boat ramp at Chris' Deli that he has seen the Game Warden waiting at the ramp to admonish two hunters coming back in.
It's a shame we have to walk on eggs going about our sport. Appreciate the research you've done, please keep us posted.
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Postby Modified_Choking » Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:27 pm

First response came in from an individual who is an NJDEP Wildlife Education Specialist from the Central Region Office.

He suggested I check with NJ American Water about hunting the reservoir. In addition, he was unclear whether the NJDEP has jurisdiction over the Natural Area (NA).

I clarified that I was not asking about the reservoir and asked if my question could be referred to someone responsible for the management plan of the NA.

To be continued...
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Postby jerseywaterfowler » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:50 pm

Modified I give you a lot of credit for looking all this up.
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Postby Modified_Choking » Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:20 pm

Second response from the same person...

While I did get another response, which is nice, unfortunately the person doesn't really know how to deal with my question nor are they familiar with the Natural Area.

It was suggested I check with Green Acres.

jerseywaterfowler - This is kind of fun. Let's see if we can get a true and definitive answer and what the effort is to get there.

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Postby jerseywaterfowler » Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:30 am

Getting into the spot is simple enough, there is a car top launch off RT-520 near the bridge. It was chained this past spring, and new do not park signs put up. There was still some parking spots up on the street. At high tide a larger boat could mooter upstream but when the tide is out there is very little water underneath.
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Postby ransomvt5 » Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:24 pm

wow! this is getting good! i visit there for about 2 weeks a year during the season and had no idea that you guys were this helpful with figuring this out. not nearly as confusing as VA though. thansk for all your help!
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Postby Modified_Choking » Sun Dec 30, 2007 12:37 am

had no idea that you guys were this helpful - ransomvt5


I'll tell you what it is with me...if you saw my profile I do GIS mapping and data development for a living. I'm total Office Space and doing the research is sort of an outlet. By the way, someone really did take my stapler a couple of years ago. Anyway, I think GIS and related technologies (e.g., GPS) are very interesting at the core but the minute you have to show up at an office, sit in a cube, meet a deadline, manage a budget, etc...it totally kills your core interest. So, looking for hunting spots is fun, even if I have little time to visit anything more than 15 minute drive away.

Glad to help... :smile:
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Postby crewchief252 » Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:02 am

Modified_Choking wrote:
had no idea that you guys were this helpful - ransomvt5


I'll tell you what it is with me...if you saw my profile I do GIS mapping and data development for a living. I'm total Office Space and doing the research is sort of an outlet. By the way, someone really did take my stapler a couple of years ago. Anyway, I think GIS and related technologies (e.g., GPS) are very interesting at the core but the minute you have to show up at an office, sit in a cube, meet a deadline, manage a budget, etc...it totally kills your core interest. So, looking for hunting spots is fun, even if I have little time to visit anything more than 15 minute drive away.

Glad to help... :smile:


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Postby Modified_Choking » Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:56 pm

That's great, and i'll bet you celebrate Michael Boltons entire catalog...............


Ahhh, Yeah, Mmmmm....I'm gonna have to go ahead and Ahhh disagree with you there!
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Postby barngeatbayman » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:57 pm

my family lives on Riverbrook Ave. I can tell you 1st hand that if you hunt there you are looking for trouble from the residents
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Postby Modified_Choking » Wed Jan 02, 2008 8:53 pm

[quote="barngeatbayman"]my family lives on Riverbrook Ave. I can tell you 1st hand that if you hunt there you are looking for trouble from the residents[/quote]

Thank you. I would suspect so. It's close to a number of houses; especcially the west side. Nonetheless, I like the exercise - in terms of the research.
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Postby Tack in NJ » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:16 am

Seems to me that if it is a navigable piece of water and you can maintain the necessary legal distance from an occupied dwelling that the locals would just have to get over it. Just because they don't hunt doesn't mean you can't legally enjoy our sport in a legal place.
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Postby pine marten » Mon Jan 07, 2008 7:59 am

Just thought I would chime in and let everyone know what we are dealing with in our neck of the woods. On Saturday they just had a meeting in Little Silver that was started at the Gov's office about closing the rivers to Duck Hunting. That would include the Navesink, Shrewsbury and Swimming River. I happen to live on the Swimming River and I am a duck hunter. Yes it is true that some areas are legal but not by much and every time someone hunts the Police are called and are forced to deal with this issue. Now, someone posted that as long as it is legal then the owners should get over it. We must start deciding what is more inportant. Maybe getting one or two good hunts in one area or being a liitle smarter and not attracting more bad press by pushing the issue. I have been very active in Monmouth County fighting against the antis but we are in a real battle so please use your better judgement. There is no way to hunt this river without creating an issue!!
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Postby Tack in NJ » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:18 am

So what happens when they decide to take issue with you hunting in your current favorite place ? ANd then the next one when you lay down again? And again till you have no place left to hunt?
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Postby Basspond » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:01 pm

If you lived in the area and knew what we were dealing with you would realize that pushing it in certain areas is just not worth it for a few ducks. There are plenty of places to hunt and especially now hunting the swimming river just doesn't seem like a great idea.

I know police officers that have hunted the river and have had the police called on them for it.

I understand the sentiment of not backing down and standing up to the antis and by all means if you attended that meeting and knew what was going on behind the scenes from the pro-hunt side you would not be saying that there was any 'laying-down' going on.

It is a matter of being smart and Pine Marten is just filling in anyone that doesn't live in the area to the anti sentiments in the area.

Hunting the swimming river is pushing it. The north zone is closed now anyway.
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Postby jerseywaterfowler » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:14 pm

I was at the meeting also and have to agree with not hunting the swimming river. Its just not worth the problems. From a google earth search, there may, just may, be a spot or two that is legal (450 feet), but please remember its not like pelits hit a wall at 450 feet and stop. Also towns can have no discharge laws or also limit the discharging of firearms to certin area's only. I don't know what the the laws are in Tinton Falls or Middletown are. All it would take is one shot to hurt someone or destroy a house window or car and there would be some legal trouble for the shooter. In the end if you shoot you are responsible for the shot. I know if I hurt someone I would have a hard time living with it. Thats my 2cents.
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Postby stevez » Mon Jan 07, 2008 3:48 pm

It all comes down to choosing your battles. Sometimes you need to do a strategic retreat in order to win the entire war.

In my opinion, it was the furor over the bear hunt that allowed Panter & Karcher to introduce that miserable bill that could eventually eliminate hunting in this state. Sure, we got them both out of office and we may defeat this bill, but you can bet that there are plenty of people just like them waiting to ride a wave of negative publicity in order to advance their own personal anti-hunting agendas.

Basspond is correct. There are plenty of more remote places to hunt for now. Places without houses, cops or hassles.
Tack is also correct ofcourse, but at what cost?

I for one will choose the path of least resistance. It only takes a simple "no firearms discharge" ordinance to close off an entire area...forever.

When it comes to hunting in this increasingly populated state I say:

Tread softly but.....I'm still carrying my big stick :wink:
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Postby Modified_Choking » Mon Jan 07, 2008 8:31 pm

Dropped...like a hot rock.
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