Blackfoot Inc wrote:This thread brings out some interesting points. With all the health tests being preformed these days are breeders/Testing pricing out the average dog owner?
"Awesome Bloodline" fact is most Pedigrees have very common names associated with them, Candlewood, Super Tanker, Honcho, Lean Mac, Super Chief, and the list goes on to about 15 common names. Of these 15 names most have known issues that "AREN'T" publicly advertised. As with most industries corruption is in play.
Started Dogs, are generally considered Field Trial washouts. A wide verity of reasons contribute to why a dog may be sold as a started dog, but it's almost a guarantee that training issues are a major reason, Marking. Most "Pro Trainers" are chasing derby points for their clients dogs, which normally results in pushing young dogs to hard, too fast. By pushing hard these trainers skip steps which create holes in a program. Also, when pushing young dogs pro trainers tend to train with an Ecollar, rather then teaching first and making corrections with a collar.
Splatt, while you and Trap have made a Farmers Only.com connection this is not always the case. Many of these dogs have been rode hard and put away wet, then sold for someone else to deal with.
Blackfoot Inc wrote:Started Dogs, are generally considered Field Trial washouts. A wide verity of reasons contribute to why a dog may be sold as a started dog, but it's almost a guarantee that training issues are a major reason, Marking.
quackadikt wrote:Blackfoot Inc wrote:Started Dogs, are generally considered Field Trial washouts. A wide verity of reasons contribute to why a dog may be sold as a started dog, but it's almost a guarantee that training issues are a major reason, Marking.
I'd have to say that this is a big hunk of crap. While you're definitely right in some cases, saying that a a started dog is almost guaranteed to have training issues is BS. Like Bluesky said, lots of guys just train dogs to a point and sell them, or they're brokers to an extent for gundogs.
Even most "washouts" will make a great gun dog. Maybe they don't run hard enough, or maybe they're ability to mark starts falling off at 200 yards. Maybe their lines on casts aren't straight enough or maybe he breaks down and hunts on his own a little when he gets to the area of a fall *gasp*...Field trial dogs are held to ridiculous standards that aren't exactly normal. I'd take my gamble on a "washout" or started dog any day if I came across one for a good price and could watch him work a little.
Blackfoot Inc wrote:Never said they wouldn't make great meat dogs....because that's not true."Gasp"
British Mantra, hardly!!! Nothing British about Mike Lardy's program. However I'm interested in your 15:15:45 program?
Big difference between teaching a dog first, then making "corrections" when needed with a collar. Also, working with pups up to transition is fun as well as easy.
bluesky, thanks for your service.
Splatt, just messin with you! I know your not a Farmer.
"If you train a young dog for momentum, precision will arrive. If you train for precision, demanding perfection, momentum will depart"
Splatt wrote:Traps gonna run next weekend for his title in HRC seasoned.
Slowly, tests by test, he's moving up the proficiency ladder.
Back for more wrote:So ......... Anyone ready to bust some birds soon ????
It's almost that time boys .
Lets all get along this year lol
WHERE'S THE " pictures to get the blood flowing thread " ?
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