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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby KAhunter » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:55 am

EastBound&Down wrote:Another fine example was a couple seasons back when the big ducks didn't arrive in numbers until the closing weekend of January season. We saw more ducks the last few days than the entire 3rd split combined. I you listen to the blah blah blah "the migration is over and done by November and NC has all it's ducks by then", why in the world did all those ducks not wait another week unitl they came out of hiding and spare their lives? Must have been a mix up on dates when they wrote down season end on all their calanders.

I do agree that some migration does still occur with weather patterns into february. Birds are going to migrate north and south throughout the winter till they head to where they will breed. But alot of the bird we see that "suddenly appear" are here already by the end of hunting season. I am just saying that january 26 or whenever the duck season ends,the ducks alarm clocks dont go off and they all decide to go to NC. They react to the lack of hunting pressure and start changing their patterns to using areas that they weren't using during hunting season. And that why we see more in alot of places, including no hunting areas like within city limits. Birds during hunting season tend to stay away from people no matter what. Once its over, they become much less afraid of us and more likelly to use the pond next tot he walmart than they were before. Go and scout areas that are holding ducks in late february and you will see they arent nearly as skiddish. When I scout our places into mid March you have to beat the birds out of there sometimes as they circle 5 or 6 times around me, trying to get back in, where they would be gone in a second during the hunting season. The point is I dont think moving the seaosn back a few weeks will do much better or worse. We may catch a few systems that get the birds moving and dumb, but other than that they still will be coming off 6 or so weeks of being hunted and I think we will be seeing the same stuff we see at the end of the season in January. Then once the season would be over, it would turn back to "there are ducks everywhere, why cant we move teh season even further back". That on top of the fact that we would be disrupting courting, which is very important to succesful breeding, it just isnt worth it.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby KAhunter » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:02 am

On the X wrote:
Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.

I remember those years very well. I had more quality days per days hunted back then on average. The Oct. season was the 2nd week of the month instead of the 1st week. We had 3 days at Thanksgiving which grew to 6 days of thanksgiving week a few years later with a 50 day season. Back then We would see way more birds on the split openers because they had time for their numbers to build without being constantly harassed non-stop. Boy I miss those days.

I wish they would move the october season back a week but I have heard that the boys in the western part of the state need it early to get the wood ducks still. The only thing about it being early that is nice is that there is a better chance of catching some bluewings. Last year it was 85 degrees for four days but it was still fun. I still disagree with the december season. That is consistently the slowest time for us after the opener and a hunt or two after, then it always slows down till we get some weather in January. I would push for more in november not less as that seems to be consistenly better hunting and then all of january starting around Christmas.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Shurshot » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:02 am

I think we all can think back to certain seasons when we pounded birds late at the end of the season that weren't there in big numbers earlier. Most times was basically because of adverse weather/freeze ups that forced birds to move down to more hospitable areas. If people want to call this a "migration", then yes, we do get "new" birds. I look at this as more of an anomaly, something we don't count on each year all over NC but sure makes hunting mighty good. Data/duck counts on/around the NWR's each year has determined that we here reach "peak" migration by the third/fourth week of November. After that, bird #'s tend to fluctuate from area to area based on many factors.

I see birds all over protected area lakes, retention ponds, etc. just after the season too but I don't happen to think they migrated down from the northern areas because their biological clock said to keep migrating. As stated earlier, food requirements change as does weather. Could also be that in areas where heavy baiting is prevalent has stopped since the season is about/over with. Regardless, hunters all over the state see substantially more birds that wintered here than birds that just showed up a week after the season.

Seasons? I like the 3 splits. In essence makes for 3 good "openers" of non-molested birds. Keep Oct season but open it a little later. I'm ok with extended it for a week. Bring Nov in a little later to the end of the month. Open last split later in Dec and run to end of Jan 31st. Yep, I like the end of the season too .....
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby EastBound&Down » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:22 am

Shurshot wrote:Keep Oct season but open it a little later. I'm ok with extended it for a week.


I see no need to extend the Oct season to a week. Would be wasted days in my opinion. For the most part probably 90% of the ducks will be locals and after being blasted once or twice they will be run out or change patterns. Only ones it will benefit will be the few individulas who have many different private hunting locations to alternate between.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby KAhunter » Wed Apr 30, 2014 11:13 am

Shurshot wrote:I see birds all over protected area lakes, retention ponds, etc. just after the season too but I don't happen to think they migrated down from the northern areas because their biological clock said to keep migrating. As stated earlier, food requirements change as does weather. Could also be that in areas where heavy baiting is prevalent has stopped since the season is about/over with. Regardless, hunters all over the state see substantially more birds that wintered here than birds that just showed up a week after the season.

This is a good point. Baiting stops and the birds spread out to find other food sources.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby HydeMarsh » Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:45 pm

Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.


Are you serious, just bitching, or joking?
Are you related to "dingbatter 2"
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby wahoowilly » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:06 pm

Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.

The season never ended early in Jan. Used to be Jan 20...or the 19th if the 20th was on Sunday. Far as shooting time is concerned, 8:00 a.m. is early enough. Would suit me if it was 30 days again...as much in Jan as possible...screw October and Thanksgiving.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Dingbatter » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:50 pm

I don't remember the exact year think it was 1990 and it ended around the 7th. Then they extended the seasons to the 20th and finally like we have it now. I could be wrong its been a long time.


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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby On the X » Wed Apr 30, 2014 5:56 pm

wahoowilly wrote:
Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.

The season never ended early in Jan. Used to be Jan 20...or the 19th if the 20th was on Sunday. Far as shooting time is concerned, 8:00 a.m. is early enough. Would suit me if it was 30 days again...as much in Jan as possible...screw October and Thanksgiving.

It did too end in early January at one time, I remember when it was extended to no later than the 20th somewhere around 1992-93 or so.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby grayhouse farms » Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:58 pm

For many in the western part of the state Oct. is the best of all the duck hunting. The beaver ponds, small rivers, and bigger streams that hold woodies, this is the peak. Most that have a spot like that go opening day and back again on the last day, hunting it 2 out of 4 days. Those spots do not draw big ducks well, and they are pretty good when it opens like on Nov. 9th such as this year, but not as good as Oct. I would think in the east you could hunt woodies in the swamps with timber and teal in other spots, putting a full week to good use. Remember your brothers to the west, have a heart. EASTBOUND said more days in Oct. would just give guys with more property more time. I would not agree, the east is blessed with more duck habitat and more ducks, flatter ground that is easier to flood ect. I am surprised at how many said that Nov. was so important to hunting in the east. KA said he would want more days in Nov. (last year Nov. 9-30), wow really, other than opening day and maybe a big cold push near the end of Nov. the. dates are of no use to me .....BUT I learned that they are special to hunters in the east. I am very lucky to have other places to also hunt big ducks when they show up in Dec.,but think of those guys with just a wood duck hole they have a short season.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby merg » Thu May 01, 2014 7:40 am

I love Nov. Be fine with me if they gave us all of Nov. and took away all of Dec. Never happen because of the X-mas holidays when people are off and want to hunt, but most serious hunters (in the NE) would kill a lot more birds with that split.
You got your calendar ducks that are going to migrate in Oct, Nov no matter the weather, food, pressure or anything else-barring hurricanes that push them inland. Through Nov. different species show up very near the same dates (and places) they have shown up for decades. Some (blackheads) will stay the rest of the year but most stay a week or two and continue south, or, when pressured, head back deep into inaccessible swamp and ride the season out there. You see these when the swamps freeze-they aren't new birds, just birds who were iced out of the swamps/impoundments and have to go to open water.
You are passing on hunting a large segment of the fowl population at a point when they here and ripe to be hunted if you cut down/out Nov.
IMO the later migrations are almost totally weather dependent-those birds are going to migrate only as far south as the weather forces them to go. Some years that works out great for us-other years not so much.
Point being if you cut/take out Nov you are trading ducks that you know WILL be here in Nov. for ducks that MIGHT (or might not) be here in Dec/Jan. Yeah we've had a couple of unusually cold winters lately but that's really not the norm.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby KAhunter » Thu May 01, 2014 8:41 am

Start the November season a week earlier and the december season a week later. Still catch christmas and holidays.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Dingbatter 2 » Mon May 12, 2014 7:38 am

:lol:

With all of the technology we have now, let everyone pick their own season. Put in your days (within the season framework) and when you print out your license there is a calendar of your hunting days. Get caught hunting outside those days and you are closed season hunting.

No more complaining and whining except with your hunting buddies, and we could care less about that. :grooving: :lol3:

Problem solved. :hammer:
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby wahoowilly » Mon May 12, 2014 8:51 am

Dingbatter 2 wrote::lol:

With all of the technology we have now, let everyone pick their own season. Put in your days (within the season framework) and when you print out your license there is a calendar of your hunting days. Get caught hunting outside those days and you are closed season hunting.

No more complaining and whining except with your hunting buddies, and we could care less about that. :grooving: :lol3:

Problem solved. :hammer:

Would be nice, but just a couple of probs with it.
1. Some birds would face at least some pressure from 10/1 all the way to the end of Jan.
2. Enforcement costs would be much higher than now...who pays for it?
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Dingbatter 2 » Mon May 12, 2014 11:07 am

Depends on when most of the people schedule their days. You don't have to put in for the maximum number of days. If you know you can only hunt during your one or two week vacation, holidays, and Saturdays you put in for those days based on your schedule. As far as enforcement, what would change except that perhaps they would work waterfowl a little more than they do now.

To be honest, I put this out tongue and cheek. It was not a serious proposal. The main problems are:

1. It is easier to gripe and complain about seasons when the overall framework is set by the government. To put the burden and responsibility of decision making on the individual goes against the modern american socialist system.

2. The government likes things as complicated as possible. A simple framework based on number of days (including by species) and bag limits would give them penis envy.

3. Many cannot use a calendar and haven't a clue as to what day it is. They would put in for the first 60 calendar days and then bitch about not being able to hunt after Christmas.

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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby ibedamn » Mon May 12, 2014 2:22 pm

KAhunter wrote:Start the November season a week earlier and the december season a week later. Still catch christmas and holidays.


That sounds like an idea that wouldn't hurt anybody.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Drop Zone » Mon May 12, 2014 2:48 pm

wahoowilly wrote:
Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.

The season never ended early in Jan. Used to be Jan 20...or the 19th if the 20th was on Sunday. Far as shooting time is concerned, 8:00 a.m. is early enough. Would suit me if it was 30 days again...as much in Jan as possible...screw October and Thanksgiving.


Wait, aren't you the same wahoowilly that argues against Sunday hunting because it will take days away from his season? :huh:
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby HydeMarsh » Mon May 12, 2014 3:09 pm

Is it possible to get crop depredation permits on ducks and hunt them year round like some do deer?
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Shurshot » Mon May 12, 2014 8:07 pm

Ha, pretty funny there HM. Guess if you didn't put water on your corn you possibly could have an argument. The moment you put water on it, all bets are off unless you have some new fangled submersible combine. :thumbsup:
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby wahoowilly » Tue May 13, 2014 7:57 pm

Drop Zone wrote:
wahoowilly wrote:
Dingbatter wrote:We need to go back to the way it was in the late 80's and early 90's. 3 days in October, 3 days at Thanksgiving.Then beginning in early December and ending the first week of Jan. That would get rid of 50% of the hunters we have today. Then change the shooting hours like the 1988 - 89 season, sunrise to sunset.( The WEO's had a field day passing out tickets for all the early shooting that year). That would probably eliminate another 25% of the hunters today. To many spoiled hunter today with 60 day season, you guys need to see what it was like in the lean years.

The season never ended early in Jan. Used to be Jan 20...or the 19th if the 20th was on Sunday. Far as shooting time is concerned, 8:00 a.m. is early enough. Would suit me if it was 30 days again...as much in Jan as possible...screw October and Thanksgiving.


Wait, aren't you the same wahoowilly that argues against Sunday hunting because it will take days away from his season? :huh:

I am. However, I'd be perfectly willing to undergo a few 30 day, 2 duck limit seasons, if it would chase all the dumbassed jr. duck commanders out of the sport.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby merg » Wed May 14, 2014 7:08 am

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Wait, aren't you the same wahoowilly that argues against Sunday hunting because it will take days away from his season? :huh:[/quote]
I am. However, I'd be perfectly willing to undergo a few 30 day, 2 duck limit seasons, if it would chase all the dumbassed jr. duck commanders out of the sport.[/quote]

I 've seen this theory posted several times and I would go along if I thought for a second it would rid us of the idiots. It just seems to me this would have more of the opposite effect-good hunters getting out. I'd have to seriously ask myself if I want to maintain/bush several blinds, plant food, cut bushes for the float, burn off marsh, train a dog, keep 500 decoys in working shape, keep up wood duck boxes, and on and on with stuff a serious fowler has to do year round.....just to be able to hunt 4 Saturdays and a few holidays/sick days-with a 2 bird limit. Contrast that with the jr commander who MIGHT spend an hour gluing pvc pipe and camo burlap on his 12ft boat or the one whose 'deddy' bought him a brand new war eagle with pop-up blind. They really don't want to hunt near as much as they just want to shoot something-anything-and, mostly, to be known as a 'cool' duck hunter. From what I have seen they don't care what the limit is, they aren't going to heed it anyway. They aren't investing a lot of time, effort, money and hope-its just a hobby they only want to be involved with when its convenient. 4 or 5 days of hunting is all they want anyway so I just don't see a 30 day season affecting them nearly as much as it would us.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Shurshot » Wed May 14, 2014 8:15 am

Screw a 30 day/2 or 3 duck limit. Won't limit the yahoos enough to make a difference and would have a negative impact on many veteran hunters as mentioned. I'll take the 60 day and simply keep doing what I've always done to be successful, including educating some of the misfits along the way. :no:
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby KAhunter » Wed May 14, 2014 8:18 am

Shurshot wrote:Screw a 30 day/2 or 3 duck limit. Won't limit the yahoos enough to make a difference and would have a negative impact on many veteran hunters as mentioned. I'll take the 60 day and simply keep doing what I've always done to be successful, including educating some of the misfits along the way. :no:

Yep lets not wish away this great hunting and long season to hopefully get rid of some idiots. Once the season shortens and the limits are reduced (which will happen at some point either way) I am afraid we may never get back to these long seasons and high limits. If we keep growing and habitat keeps getting destroyed, birds may not be able to rebound from drought like they have been able to in the past.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Drop Zone » Wed May 14, 2014 9:52 am

Cutting the season to 30 days, as much of January as possible... in order to get rid of the Jr commanders. I don't see the logic in that. Deer hunters will love it because it keeps the ducks from being shot at until they are ready to hunt them. And I can't see any reason a shorter season would limit the number of Jr commanders there are. Sorry, just don't see how a shorter season would relate to less asshats on the water. Might even make it worse because they will all be fighting to hunt the same number of days in a shorter period of time.
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Re: Season Dates for next duck season

Postby Bluesky2012 » Wed May 14, 2014 11:52 am

Drop Zone wrote:Cutting the season to 30 days, as much of January as possible... in order to get rid of the Jr commanders. I don't see the logic in that. Deer hunters will love it because it keeps the ducks from being shot at until they are ready to hunt them. And I can't see any reason a shorter season would limit the number of Jr commanders there are. Sorry, just don't see how a shorter season would relate to less asshats on the water. Might even make it worse because they will all be fighting to hunt the same number of days in a shorter period of time.



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