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Help restoring my wetlands......PICS INCLUDED

Postby gunman » Fri Sep 16, 2005 3:51 am

On my property I have three ponds ranging from one acre of open water to four acres, the water in the past few years has really dried up, to the point were only two of the three have standing water still and not much at that....I'm wanting to restore these wetlands as the ducks quite coming back afew years ago. I though about drilling a well in the middle of the three ponds and rent a generator for a week and going at it that way. I wasn’t sure if there was assistance DU or Delta offers for this type of restoration without signing a land contract. But I need to do something fast because I’m loosing the natural vegetation around the ponds! In past years the water levels come and go but it’s never gotten this low, and I was hoping it would show some sign of recovery by the end of the summer, well, it’s only gotten worse, so I have decided to take matters into my own hands, any advice would be appreciated! -Chris

P.S.you can see the ponds from these maps here......

The red in the ponds represents what I have left for standing water.......compaired to what it used to be

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Second picture shows without markings......

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Postby AK Ducks » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:19 pm

you Should talk with DU or Delta If they wont do anything they might at least tell you what you should do also talk to some biologests in your area. show them the pictures and ask them what they think you should do.
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Postby Gooseboy » Fri Sep 16, 2005 2:48 pm

maybe bust up the damn.
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Postby Dogman » Fri Sep 16, 2005 5:19 pm

Can't hurt to ask for an opinion from someone at DU.Whether or not they can actually do anything that fits into what you want you may get a lot of info regarding fed and state wetland regs,wetlands projects and such.
You definately want good information regarding any wetlands project.
I did some work on my property a while back and thought I had everything squared away after checking the wetlands rules and regs at town hall.Well next thing you know I had a visit from the local conservation comissioner and was put on a list of sites to be reviewed by the Army Corp of Engineers.Corp of Engineers said I needed a wetlands permit.Needed to hire a Enviromental Engineer to do the inch thick pile technical paper work.Finally got my permit and did the work but what a hassle that process was!
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Postby gunman » Fri Sep 16, 2005 7:40 pm

yea I have been playing phone tag with the waters department of the Minnesota Division of Natural Resources, sometimes I'm tempted to just throw my garden hose down there and let it run for about a week! j/k.......we'll see what happens when I get ahold of them......
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Postby duckdog » Fri Sep 16, 2005 8:19 pm

Is there a possibility of a field drainage tile, being busted to help with the water level's, or possibly convert some water to it. I know your up north don't know how much timber you have, but in Iowa alot of time's guy's will plug a tile, to keep it wet, or run a new tile line to the pond from somewhere else to help with the water level's.
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Postby Fowlercon » Mon Sep 19, 2005 10:16 pm

Chris, check out Googleearth.com. you will be quite amazed at what you find. the detail is amazing, even for the free verson. Advise for high-speed connection only. dial-up will be maddening.
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Postby mfetter » Thu Dec 08, 2005 8:49 am

I am trying to somewhat of the same thing here in PA. My problem is that there was a natural dam that was created by some local beavers. These beavers created an AMAZING duck hole but it was washed away in a recent flood. Now I want to dam up a TINY feeder stream and you would think that I wanted to burn down yellowstone :umm: Long story short is make sure that you have all the regs and it might be worth it to hire out a local biologist--They can really help get around regs and people that are being a apin in the A#$. I am lucky enough to have a friend that works for an enviromental engineering group and is the enviromental specialist for my area. He was able to tell me that as long as we were not flooding any already standing wetlands and that the stream was a feeder steam that was seasonal and we had a really good chance--Otherwise there was no way in *&^%. By the loks of the pics you might be better off going two ways

1) buy a couple of rolls of the liner that is used to create ponds in areas where they would not normally hold water--Vegatation and food can frow through these

2)by the loooks of it that lake is not that far--Normally it is far easier to get a pumping permit. What about running a pump from the lake. This would provide you with the availabilty to dran and fill the ponds as needed allowing you to plant things like rice and corn ect.
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Postby chicobrownbear » Tue Dec 20, 2005 7:12 am

Go to the nearest college and find the person who teaches hydrology (start looking in the geology department). They love to shed light onto problems if someone just asks, and they will normally have a little consulting side job. So for a fee, they will tell you what is going on there and you can fix the problem.

If you are losing the water to the ground, then pumping from a well will only compound your problem. Google "well cone of depression" for information on why that won't work.

If your ponds are at an elevation above that large impoundment of water, you could feasibly be losing the water through a process called base flow. This is would be a situation where that large body of water would control the water table in the vicinity of your ponds.

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Postby jhrper » Sun Jan 22, 2006 7:26 pm

Maybe you should try to get some beavers back in there somehow. They don't really deal with government regulations.... :mrgreen:
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Postby h2ofwlr » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:27 am

Oh yeah? read the 3rd post on this: http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/viewtopi ... &start=250
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Postby psuHonker » Mon May 15, 2006 2:05 pm

I would try contacting DU or Delta to see if they do any private work, but don't be suprised if they won't help because its private land (unless you enter a program allowing all hunters there). a local college would be a good place to start, some prof.s do side work.
dry periods come and go, so you really wouldnt want to be disturbing the natural habitat as well as the soil in your wetlands.a possibility might be letting nature run its course. wetlands eventually become fields then develop into forests.as organic matter accumulates its turns into soil.over time these low areas that water sits in and is absorbed into become filled.so your wetlands may be in this natural stage. really search for opinions of profesionals and dont buy into the first opinion that sounds good.there may be a few methods out there that will do what you want.
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Postby Swamprat » Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:39 am

You'd be surprised with DU--it really depends on the funding source and the state.

Some public grants require projects to have "public access" (a term near and dear to all our hearts as hunters!), but a lot of private grants and programs that DU receives do not require it or even mention it. In fact, some DU projects are kept as un-hunted "sanctuaries" by landowners (usually those with other good waterfowl habitat on their property).
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Postby illinoisduckboy15 » Thu Dec 07, 2006 8:09 pm

you could pump water from what looks like a lake or a stream as to what i can see those would be two water sources
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Postby WIDGEONATOR » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:02 pm

MY 2 CENTS: I own a duck club, so I have some water experience.

1. If possible, but it requires a source of water with in say 600 yards, that you are allowed to pump from, I did this one year with the help of a farmer, in exchange for a free blind. They rent, agricultural diesel pumps, that come in various sizes. Place pump that is on a trailer, next to water source and run ag. pipe, commonly used with the pump, to the pond or anywhere that it will eventually flow into the pond.
You need to get an estimate, or a farmer who is cool enough to let you borrow his equipement. They have everything you need, and renting all the stuff probably is not worth it. Could cost from 2,000-3,000 without the gas, could be less depending on how much pipe you need, and the size of pump you go with.

2. Long term is to put and agricultural well in, the estimate I got at my place was about 30,000 to go 300ft. with a 10-12 inch pipe. Very expensive, but it does increase the value of the property.

With either of these 2 solutions, since you are doing 3 ponds that are not connected, you would have to dig a ditch, or use a dry creek bed, that would allow you to fill all three, unless they feed each other. Because money is always an issue, I would pick the best pond and go with that one.

3. Pray for rain. :salude:
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Postby WIDGEONATOR » Tue Dec 12, 2006 7:05 pm

As far as any government money, My experience has been they only give that money to really rich people who own thousands of acres. And they definatley won't help you out with water. :thumbsdown:

There is a program, the wetlands reclemation something or ruther, from the department of the interior. If the land was farm land, and you are going to convert it to wetland, they pay big bucks if you sign the title so it has to remain a wetland. You can't purchase property with the intent to get in the program, there is a waiting list, and since my club was never farmed, I am not on it. :hammering:

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