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Raffia grass questions

Postby Bamaducks256 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:17 pm

Ok. I am redoing the blind for my '04 triton 1654. I has an Avery quickset blind with mossyoak break up netting. I've always used just fast grass mats because it was easy to do and fairly cheap. And I've always been able to throw any of the surrounding vegetation I was hunting in or around up against the blind to help look better in the surroundings. I am wanting to go with raffia grass from now on because it looks so much better than fastgrass it would be better for where I hunt. Looking for advice on where I should get the grass and about how much I will spend on about 20lbs. Here are pics of my boat and one of them is in a flooded field and I took A LOT of the surrounding vegetation to make it look this good [img]<img%20src="http://i.imgur.com/qrVxvsm.jpg"%20alt="Uploaded%20with%20Imgupr"%20/>[/img]
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby Bamaducks256 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:20 pm

Pictures messed sorry here they are
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby bumper52 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 5:43 pm

I just ordered 26 lbs. from Joseph Stern Co. in Cleveland...it was 151.82 shipped to Illinois.....super nice people to deal with...you can call them and they will send a color card....26 pounds will smother a 16 foot boat...but I really like raffia because I have a beavertail blind and the stuff is so lightweight and it's very easy to get a 3D effect.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby t_baker » Sat Aug 03, 2013 7:58 pm

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby Bamaducks256 » Sat Aug 03, 2013 9:47 pm

What colors would y'all suggest for where I'm hunting as yall could see what I'm hunting mainly and occasionally some timber but the timber has some grass in it
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby Brule » Sun Aug 04, 2013 6:50 am

Right now Cabela's still has the Avery KillerWeed in there bargain cave for $30.00 for the 10# bundle. Its only in the golden harvest color but you can dye it to your liking.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby Bamaducks256 » Sun Aug 04, 2013 7:34 am

How well would 20lbs work on my boat?
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby Buckwild22 » Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:10 am

I just picked up a 1800 beavertail blind. How much do you guys think I'll need.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby t_baker » Mon Aug 05, 2013 1:21 pm

I hung up with Jsterns this morning. She said 25 lbs with cover a 18 foot boat and blind.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:55 am

We're about to order a bunch of it, once we find out the colors we need. Buddy laid out some corn stalks, a month ago, need to match that. And I'm trying to figure out buck brush / grass in swamp.. Probably looking at Nuetral, Sand, Tan, or maybe Edge (now that I'm looking at Bamaducks256 pic next to the samples).

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 10:52 am

I just finished grassing my Lowe 1448 and Quick Set with J. Stern Raffia grass, I STRONGLY recommend calling and asking for a color card and then cutting it up and play with color combos, my winter wheat color was WAY too green and my natural was WAY too bright - almost white, so I am going to end up dying the natural and re-dying the winter wheat with some rit dye. But I am VERY pleased with how it turned out otherwise. I ordered 26 pounds and kept 16 of it for myself and a friend of mine took the other 10 pounds. i did not use 4 of the 16 pounds (winter wheat and natural) and i actually still have a little left over from the other colors i did use. I used
Medium Brown
Olive Green
Garden Green
Tan
Sand
Edge

Before adding the grass i had shredded up 4 - 12ft sheets of "camo" burlap and added that, which i think gave some nice dark spots and helped with the "3-d" effect.

I appreciate any feedback from any of you as this is my first duck boat -I've helped with my buddies, but first time I've been in charge if you will
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby QuackerSmacker498 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Looks great. I used RIT brand dye in various colors to break up the single color. Put near boiling water and dye in a spray bottle and spray away. I use a piece of military net to get a pattern. Lay over area and spray on top. Or use krylon camp paint in the same manner. Your boat looks really good, just a way to help break up the pattern.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:33 pm

I never thought about the spray bottle idea that sounds like the way to go! Thanks for the advice (Not trying to hijack this thread)
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Mon Aug 19, 2013 5:17 pm

rds0523, I just ordered 50 lbs of Natural today - 1/2 for corn patch, the other for swamp. I could probably call and change color. What color would you order if you could re-do? Dang swamp is green right now - just trying to guess on dead gray brown color. Sand?
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby orphanedcowboy » Mon Aug 19, 2013 6:10 pm

This is the Avery All Terrain boat kit, had the smartweed, grey/blue, winter wheat, golden harvest, dead grass and some other standard, basically all of their colors.

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Mon Aug 19, 2013 7:28 pm

I think of all the colors i ordered Edge brown, olive green and medium brown were the best, If i was you i would try to get your order changed, Natural is going to be alot brighter than you think, its going to seem almost white, here is a picture of the natural i bought, i took a hand full and dyed it tonight with rit dye which is what the brown clump is sitting on top - just as a comparison. Sand and tan were nice colors too, as you can tell from my pictures lighting makes all the difference in the world, its been my experience here in NE Indiana that most swamps come fall end up a very bland dull color or and extremely bright golden brown with occasional pops of dull green. I guess long story short if i was going to do it all over again i would probably order edge medium and olive/garden green. but then again i liked how mine turned out so i might just do the same colors and mix them again lol sorry probably not much help, but i think depending on where you live you may be disappointed with an all natural order

I also added a picture of that same bundle of dyed natural against my blind so you can see what it ended up like after dying.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:11 am

For those of you who do not realize this - Avery , Cabela's , Hobby Lobby , all get their Raffia from Joseph M. Stern Co. :welcome:

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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby AR Dave » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:31 am

rsd0523, thanks for taking the time to give us a heads up on the colors. And detailed pictures. I called in myself, instead of my buddy, and got the big picture. :help: So I learned that the grass comes in 2 lbs Hanks - mix match whatever you want for the 25 lb min order. I told them 16 lbs of Edge, 10 Sand, 8 Natural, 6 Tan, 6 Olive Green, 6 Medium Brown, 6 Garden. That ought to get us started and let us see what colors we like best.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby j.digiacomo » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:42 am

how are you guys attaching to boat blinds? garden netting and zip ties? seems like a hell of alot of work...
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby orphanedcowboy » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:14 am

j.digiacomo wrote:how are you guys attaching to boat blinds? garden netting and zip ties? seems like a hell of alot of work...


I used the green synthetic twine they wrapped the bundles in and tied mine directly to the stubble straps.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby 18javelin » Tue Aug 20, 2013 11:17 am

Zip ties and poultry net... garden fence sucks.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby rds0523 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 6:05 pm

The avery quick camo has a sewn in twine netting, i cinched everything through that and it has held on quit nicely (it tears the netting from the fabric rather than pulling the grass off the netting ) so its clearly very secured. here are some pictures of cinching, i took 16-24 strands of grass - roughly 3 of each color - twisted them around each other tightly, and then folded them over in half, to create a "loop" if you will, then i pushed that loop behind a piece of the horizontal twine in the netting. Then i pulled the lower 2 strands of the bundle of grass through the loop and then pulled it tight ..it holds incredibly well and eliminates the possibility of things getting snagged on the zipties

each cinched bundle ended up a little different in terms of the finished cinch, but that was fine by me because it helped create texture by making some stick out further than others. if you ever plan to take the grass back off my method might not be the best for you as you can probably tell by the picture
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby KillerKowalski » Tue Aug 20, 2013 8:48 pm

j.digiacomo wrote:how are you guys attaching to boat blinds? garden netting and zip ties? seems like a hell of alot of work...


Bird netting. It can be found on eBay for $27. I placed that over 1000D Cordura, which also can be found on eBay for around $4 a yard.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby ctmsnow32 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 10:56 pm

Does this soak up water and heavy when it's wet? The grass I have on my blind is like a sponge. I'm trying to find something different that will work better. That is for any advice.
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Re: Raffia grass questions

Postby orphanedcowboy » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:41 am

ctmsnow32 wrote:Does this soak up water and heavy when it's wet? The grass I have on my blind is like a sponge. I'm trying to find something different that will work better. That is for any advice.


Yes, synthetic is probably best to prevent water absorption.

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