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rate these ducks please

Postby petenice02 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:46 am

I'm not looking to win awards with these guys.. I would just like to see what everyone thinks of these mounts. To my novice eye they look good. What does everyone think>? Work completed by two different taxidermists. Thanks. ALso, Sorry for blurry pics

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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby The Waterfowler » Mon Jun 04, 2012 2:10 pm

Well they certainly the caliber of Duxrus, Flyway Taxidermy or AAR on here. I'm not a polished taxidermist by a long shot but since you asked, here are my thoughts. The Mallard has a problem with the breast, neck head junction as it looks like it goes straight from breast to head with no crop. Anatomy is off on both. The feet are poorly positioned and badly shrunken. The wing position on both are pretty poor and the Black looks like primaries are badly twisted and bunched. The Black's head is also obviously over-stuffed and mis-shapened with no trache and the secondaries are pretty badly seperated. The body on the Black is pretty short also. Not groomed very well either on both. Keep in mind that I believe you are a sincere and brave person to ask the questions you did and I don't want to hurt your feelings. The old saying that you get what you pay for applies here. If you are happy that is all that matters. It's easy to sit back and criticise someone's work when you have problems with your own work to start with and I sometimes hesitate to post on questions like this. I'm sure the sincere posts are made to be helpful and just ignore the part-time commedians and wise cracks. Again I commend you for asking.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby petenice02 » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:19 pm

thanks waterfowler, As for the black duck. I'm posting a pic of the duck when shot. He was a rather large duck and his head almost looks the same size. He is the duck on the very left. Let me know what you think. Thanks again!

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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby duxrus » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:41 pm

x2 on what Waterfowler said minus the part where he isn't a great polished bird guy :hi: .

Around here you would pay around 100.00 for something of that nature. Like Pat said, you are brave by asking but you did ask. Honestly they are both very poorly done in anotomy and quality. Take a look at your picture of the freshly killed black duck and then look at it on the wall.....the head is mis-shapened. The forehead is huge and there is no contour to the back of it. The quickest way to tell a "deer" guy did them (an educated guess) is the neck junction. You have a "ball on a stick" stuck into the body where there should be a smooth transition. Again take a look at the fresh bird laying on the ground to see the difference. The GH is the better of the two but the wings aren't natural looking in position and the ruffled back feathers is a "danger" sign that it wasn't properly fleshed so as it dried the skin didn't stay as it should causing the feathers to move. If I am correct you will start seeing a dark yellow stain along the belly seam as time goes by....and those feet will definitely become sticky with leakage sooner than later.

I always appreciate seeing posts where people genuinely want to know what is good or bad about a mount. If you seriously are looking for good quality and want your trophies to look good for years to come I would find a waterfowl specialist for future work. Take a quick look at Birdman Studios' website to see what quality looks like.

Just curious...how much did each cost and were both taxidermists "deer" guys by trade ?

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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby petenice02 » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:19 am

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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby The Waterfowler » Tue Jun 05, 2012 7:09 am

[quote="petenice02"]thanks waterfowler, As for the black duck. I'm posting a pic of the duck when shot. He was a rather large duck and his head almost looks the same size. He is the duck on the very left. Let me know what you think. Thanks again!

It's a nice black, but the head shape is way off. Look at the bulge on the lower jaw, way over-stuffed and the crown is distended also. Notice on the dead bird how smooth the transition is from the bill through the throat to the neck and from the top of the upper mandible over the crown of the head. Neck is not showing a windpipe(trache) which further distorts the shape.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby MissedAgain » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:57 pm

A lot of people try to do ducks, a few succeed.

The birds are whole and on the wall. The mallard head is off, the wings are off, the feathers look "off". The black duck has chipmunk cheeks along with more bad posture.

Those ducks are what you would call, lessons... The taxidermist really does not understand what the birds look like in real life, wing positioning, head posture, proper shape, etc.

There is a reason Birdman gets a premium for his mounts. They deserve it. If I have another bird mounted, he will do it.

In an earlier life I had 18 ducks & geese mounted. There was a guy in CT named Pat (sorry Pat, I forget your last name but I traded you some work for 6 Victor black duck decoys that I still use) who did a good bird, but the others I tried had a couple nice show pieces but my birds ended up looking like yours - greasy and out of position. The ducks Pat did looked real, i wish i had a photo of the black for comparison (also a big bird)...

This is an example of why you need to check references and look at the photos of the work the guys have done in the past.

If these are your work, and you are new at it - please forgive the harsh tone. If you did pay for these, don't go back.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby Pete-pec » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:45 am

Nuff said!
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby bluezman1957 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:02 pm

Here is a pic of one of my mallards. Use photos like this when you mount anything.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby duxrus » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:24 pm

bluezman1957 wrote:Here is a pic of one of my mallards. Use photos like this when you mount anything.



No offense but you shouldn't use pictures of mounts as reference......unless a client asks for you to duplicate a certain pose and gives you a pic to explain it.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby Pete-pec » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:30 pm

I have to agree with you Brian. I thought two things. Awful proud, and probably the worst mistake copying a bird that was mounted, versus a quality photo/photos of live birds. :huh:
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby duxrus » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:56 pm

Pete-pec wrote:I have to agree with you Brian. I thought two things. Awful proud, and probably the worst mistake copying a bird that was mounted, versus a quality photo/photos of live birds. :huh:


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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby QuackAddict95 » Sun Jul 08, 2012 8:57 pm

the whole mallard doesnt look natural and the black duck he has a bad position for the neck and the head is too fat. ive mounted a few ducks myself and i do a better job than that
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby callumcuffumkillum » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:21 am

The necks were made way to short! The Thats why the it goes straight from breast to neck. The neck needs to be pulled out so it gradually bottle necks into the actual neck. Not sure how the head turned out like it did on the black duck. My guess is that since the neck was made to short it is excess skin bunched up on the head. Since almost every taxidermist uses fake heads now i dont see how it could be a problem with the actual head. Even if a real head was used, the top of the head is obviously the skull which does not require rebuilding so i dont see why it would have ended up with that large bulge. The skin should be pulled down tight towards the skull. Once again i think it is just excess skin bunched up but thats just my two cents. Like someone said earlier, if you did do these mounts(not saying you did) then id say thats not bad for a beginner. However if you did have those done then i definitely wouldn't go back. You get what you pay for in taxidermy, dont go to the cheap guy to save a few bucks because there is a reason he is cheap. Do some research on the guy and ask to see some of his previous mounts. Most any taxidermy has a display of example mounts for people to look at.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby jason52 » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:37 pm

duxrus wrote:
bluezman1957 wrote:Here is a pic of one of my mallards. Use photos like this when you mount anything.



No offense but you shouldn't use pictures of mounts as reference......unless a client asks for you to duplicate a certain pose and gives you a pic to explain it.


Anyone who can mount a bird like this should certainly not be scoffed at. You two must suck at bird taxidermy if you think that is a bad idea. Bet you wish you could mount a mallard that good!
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby tam9492 » Sun Jul 15, 2012 8:57 am

Perhaps jason is bluez, as I believe bluez is no longer with us. Maybe just coincidence?
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby duxrus » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:03 am

Yep, one day I hope to get good enough to just stare at greatness in the mirror for hours everyday......By the way I love how your 6 first posts (right after ol blue balls disappeared) have been nothing but complaining about a site that you don't actually have to log in to, much less post. Why do I have a feeling you have a L-O-N-G line of aliases from all the sites you get kicked off of, brag of your Karate and taxidermy skills, live in TX, and have a significant other with very small hands.... :lol3: :hi: :lol3:
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby ncbufflehead » Mon Jul 16, 2012 4:28 pm

duxrus wrote:Why do I have a feeling you have a L-O-N-G line of aliases from all the sites you get kicked off of, brag of your Karate and taxidermy skills, live in TX, and have a significant other with very small hands.... :lol3: :hi: :lol3:
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby tam9492 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:47 pm

Dude.....the negative posts are getting old. It doesn't matter what alias you're using.
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Re: rate these ducks please

Postby JuniorPre 360 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:24 pm

tam9492 wrote:Dude.....the negative posts are getting old. It doesn't matter what alias you're using.

X2 Either way you probably aren't a taxidermist or someone of any importance to where your opinion matters.
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