Thanks for the compliments. Yea Pete, swans are alot of fun :hammering: . I quit tumbling my birds about a year ago, one of the many advantages is not having to blow and pick all the grit out. As far as the pintail, he is all pintail. I guess that blue background washes out the blue in his bill, should have used burgandy backdrop. The customer wanted that woodie in a standard banking pose, but he was missing a large patch of feathers above his right scapulars. After fighting with the mount for a couple of hours I sat down with my reference book and found this pose and removed the support wire and re-inserted and posed. Client was very pleased. I hate having to make a change like that, but so far they have all worked out.