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hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby TRMichels » Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:15 pm

Scouting for Whitetailss
As a seminar speaker and writer, as well as outfitter and guide, I often have hunters ask me, what should I do to start hunting whitetail deer? The answer is simple, but many people rarely do it. 1. have a very good understanding of general deer biology and behavior. 2. know the are you hunt almost as well as the deer. 3. know when and where the deer on your areas are most likely to be active.

Many hunters fail in not knowing as much as they should about deer biology and behavior, which will help them figure out when and where deer are most likely to be active, under most conditions. And they often do not know when and where the deer are most active in the areas they hunt.

As a whitetail outfitter and guide, I typically spend 3-7 hours per day, 3-4 days a week scouting prior to the deer season, and 2-4 hours at least 2 days a week during the season, to figure out what food sources are ripe and being used, when and where the does travel, and locating buck rub routes and particularly buck daytime core areas, which is where the bucks will spend the majority of their time during daylight hours, (when not in full rut mode).

So, what you do is scout, scout and scout some more; because deer patterns will change weekly throughout the rut, and during the fall and winter hunting seasons.

The following article is from my book The Complete Whitetail Addict's Manual, it is copyrighted and cannot be copied or reprinted without the authors written permission. I give that permission for this to be published here.

I hope this helps some of you.

Scouting
Scouting is actually getting on the land to discover the high use areas of the animals by the sign they leave behind. In order to scout properly you need to be able to interpret the signs. You should be looking for trails, tracks, droppings, beds, food sources, rubs, scrapes, doe home ranges, buck home ranges, staging areas, escape cover and areas used during inclement weather as protection.

You can scout any time of the year, especially during the hunting season. Game movement changes as summer passes into fall and fall passes into winter. Available food sources, falling leaves, weather, hunting pressure, the rut and shorter days all affect game movement; and unless you scout all season long you will not be able to reliably predict when and where to find the animals.

Familiarizing
You can't scout all season long without alerting the animals to your presence. But, you can reduce their alarm by scouting at the right time, and getting them used to you. Familiarizing is getting the animals used to you, the sight and sound of you walking, and the scent you leave behind. By scouting as much as possible during the day in areas the animals use (but not while you are scouting), they become familiar with you. Don't act like a predator while you scout. Walk purposely, from place to place, checking food sources, night bedding sites, trails, rubs and scrapes.

Don't sneak through the woods as if you were hunting because you will alert the animals. Erratic searching, or moving hurriedly from place to place in a wandering manner, is predatory behavior and alarms the animals. Act like you are out for a stroll, with very little stopping, and avoid areas you know the animals will be using. I scout open feeding areas from 10 AM to noon when deer are in brush or wooded areas. I scout wooded feeding areas from noon to 2 PM, but, I stay away from known core areas. At this time most of the deer will bedding in their daytime core areas and won't move much. I do spook some animals, but, if I continue out of the area they soon return to normal behavior.

I have taken this technique to such an extreme that I actually walk down the trails and rub routes of the bucks to get them accustomed to my scent. My smell dissipates enough by the time the animals use the trails that it doesn't alarm them. I wear rubber knee high boots from La Crosse, rubber gloves and a charcoal suit while I scout, and I use Scent Killer, Scent Shield or Odor Lok to eliminate human odor. I still leave some scent behind, and the first time the animals come across it they become alarmed. But, as long as they don't hear me or see me (because I am not there) they soon get used to the smell. I have used this method to put out mineral with my bare hands and found animals eating it within two hours. Familiarizing works to get animals accustomed to your smell. Then, when hunting season comes around and the animals smell you, they are far less wary than they normally would be. Usually they are only curious.

Observing
Observing should be an important part of hunting and locating. Observing is watching the animals regularly to learn their daily habits, reactions and patterns. Observing should be done from a vantage point where much of the property can be seen without interfering with the animals, and from where the animals aren’t aware they are being watched. You can watch from stands and blinds overlooking agricultural fields, trails, runways, gullies, valleys, lakeshores, etc. Use as many vantage points as it takes to watch most of the property. Especially watch the areas that are hard to see, where the game travels. The more area you watch, the more you know about the movement of the game.

Observing takes time and effort, but not as much as you would think. After watching the property for a few weeks you should be able to predict where the animals move and at what time. The more time you spend observing before or during the hunting season, the better you will be able to predict where and when to find the animals under similar conditions later on.

If you have questions - ask Here or contact me direct at TRMiches@yahoo.com . I'm here to help


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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby scruggs12 » Mon Sep 12, 2011 7:07 pm

TR,

I own and read your book. I have used what I have read, along with common sense, and become successful deer hunting. I have harvested game the last three years with a bow and attribute a lot of it to your book. Thanks.
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Postby TRMichels » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:47 am

scruggs12 wrote:TR,

I own and read your book. I have used what I have read, along with common sense, and become successful deer hunting. I have harvested game the last three years with a bow and attribute a lot of it to your book. Thanks.


First I want to say that I am very gald that my book has helped you. One alwsy fears that either the information you provide, or the ideas you put forth, will not help others. It is very gratifying to know that it works.

Which book do you own? I have a newer version entitltled The Complete Whitetail Addict's Manual, and I hve a CD with charts, graphs and photos on it, with tips, that I belive can h elp people.s
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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby swampwise » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:11 pm

Three things:
1. Turn off your caps lock when you enter your titles;
2. Hire an editor to help with your spelling mistakes; and
3. Stop shamelessly promoting your books under the cheap guise of giving advice on a website that expressly prohibits such activity.
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Postby TomKat » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:15 pm

TR,

I have never done any of that crap. I sit in a lawn chair with a rifle and shoot the first thing that walks by. They all fry up just fine, the does are a little better but all and all, a deer is a deer.

One time I was outside allmost 2 hours, but sure enough, here he come. BOOM!!! Normally it takes between 20-50 minutes.

Should I write a book on my secret formula for success?

Eye dun wrote me a book on deer huntin!

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Postby Bill Herian » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:37 pm

swampwise wrote:Three things:
1. Turn off your caps lock when you enter your titles;
2. Hire an editor to help with your spelling mistakes; and
3. Stop shamelessly promoting your books under the cheap guise of giving advice on a website that expressly prohibits such activity.


Yea.

People put way too much thought into deer hunting. I enjoy it so much because its so simple.
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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby TomKat » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:40 pm

TRMichels wrote:
scruggs12 wrote:TR,

I own and read your book. I have used what I have read, along with common sense, and become successful deer hunting. I have harvested game the last three years with a bow and attribute a lot of it to your book. Thanks.


First I want to say that I am very gald that my book has helped you. One alwsy fears that either the information you provide, or the ideas you put forth, will not help others. It is very gratifying to know that it works.

Which book do you own? I have a newer version entitltled The Complete Whitetail Addict's Manual, and I hve a CD with charts, graphs and photos on it, with tips, that I belive can h elp people.s


Are you sure you ever wrote a book? Did you dictate it to someone else to do the typing? Have sales been a little slow lately?
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Postby scruggs12 » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:41 pm

TR,

Ignoring the other comments, I have the newer version. It has helped and I appreciate your work.
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Postby TRMichels » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:06 am

I was asked by one of the owner or moderators to be here.

There are several reasons why I often have typos on my posts. 1. Several keys on my key board stick. 2. But more than that the extremly high doses of morphine I'm on for extreme chronic pain (11 different nerves), keeps me fom hitting the correct keys, and seeimg my mistakes when I reread it - that is because I know what I intended to write- and that is what I see, It is like being high all of the time, and in sever pain at the same me time. I apologize - I do thde best I can.

There arr many pople who have written books, some who hve a lifetime of experience, some who hve dna a lot of der research. I hve done both.

My primary reason for being here is to help others - or - because of the treatment some people give me - I would leave. I've been doing this for 10 years, and will quit when I can no longer type.

The book ws good enough the I sold the rights to the original vesion, and got paid for it up front, And it has made me a good living. I do not get paid for any more sales of it - so y es I'm sufre I wrote a book, and typed every word.

For those who post mean things - if you believe you are a Christian - ask yourself if that is what Jesus would do. Or is bad behavior just how you were raised?

May God bless all of you,

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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby TomKat » Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:41 am

Its not being mean, its the truth. I sit on a lawn chair and shoot the first deer that comes by. And it works for me every year.
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Postby duckinismyluckin » Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:28 pm

Yeah but killing doe's and bambi's and killing a 140 150 3/1/2 to 6 year old buck are two different ball games. I garuntee you you will never ever ver in your entire life kill a 140 150 or bigger doing that. Second any loser can kill a deer with a rifle kill one with a bow or a slug shotgun then come back and talk. I agree there are lots a bullshitters and liars promoting there products. But there are some that are for real. Also i garuntee you this if you use a rifle take a slug gun if you think you got it down. Because as far as range and accuracy a slug gun hinders you a bit. If i could use a rifle in my slug gun state i would have a couple 150's but i don't because they were to far. Just like fishing or any other hunting you can say what you want about books magazines and things but until you see the success from those teaching your never gonna know any better. Also the trophy deer hunter tends not to be as lazy. Trophy deer hunting takes a lot more work. Any of the nay says a just to lazy to stupid or don't care and its ur lose.
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Postby TRMichels » Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:41 pm

Boy, talk about negaitive, "within sport" slamming.This is exacly what the anti's love to see, us slamming others within the hunting community. Please dont' fall into this type of behavior - it is bad for our sport.

We should never denegrade another hunter, and not be negative about them or their way of hunting, unless they are out and out breaking the law. There is nothing wrong about this type of hunting, especially if you are a meat hunter, which many people are.
And your saying "if you use a gun - then use a sliug gun - because it is harder", is akin to someome saying "if you are going to hunt - use a bow and arrow, because then you are really limited as to range." I'm betting you would not like someone sying that to you one bit.

Lets all try to get along, be positive, supporting and/or helpful. You can alwys use consrucitve citicism, or you cou;d "suggest" hunting in a differnt manner, without being negative.

If you cannot saying something nice - it is better not to comment at all.

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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby HOPIN4ABOAT » Sat Mar 17, 2012 5:43 pm

Ducking I didnt know that was you until I went back and looked, I thought it was the op hopped up on morphine, sounds about the same I say. Deer hunting isn't that hard unless otherwise stated trophy hunting that takes skill, other than crappy bread there's nothing to do with those horns, I'll take a quality smoked stuffed backstrap any day.
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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby duckinismyluckin » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:27 am

I agree bow hunting is hardest i do that as well. Look i have been crap on by tons of people for not being a if its brown its down guy. Its a persicution the otherway as well. Im just saying TR i agree with what you are saying. I am also saying any 2 bit chump can kill a small buck or doe or bambi with a rifle. I am saying also really any two bit chump can kill a little buck doe or bambi with a slug gun or a bow. But try and kill a mature buck with the lesser. Now you got some sport on hand. Im sorry because where i live they shoot everything and not many bucks or little ones get to grow up. My point is if everyone would try and better themselves by read books like yours reading and learning everything they can scouting and putting there time in. They could kill a big buck too. Im sorry say what you will people that just shoot stupid immature deer don't want to better themselves and are on the slightly lazy side of hunters. Thats a fact, say what you will.
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Postby River Ramblin' Man » Thu Mar 22, 2012 6:28 pm

I think there is a science to consistantly killing big deer, but I've seen WAY to many deer killed by a guy in an orange t-shirt and blue jeans. Many of the biggest deer ever taken were from guys tromping through the woods with a slug gun. Bass Pro Shop's Monster Bucks does a profile on a different deer each episode. Not saying that's the way to go, or that scouting isn't important.
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Re: hOW DO YOU STAT DEER HUNTINHG?

Postby dudejcb » Fri Mar 23, 2012 12:35 pm

duckinismyluckin wrote:...any loser can kill a deer with a rifle ... Trophy deer hunting takes a lot more work.

The first important thing about getting big deer is hunting during the rut. Unfortunately the bow hunters got orgnaized early and lobbied most states so they now have the rut to themselves.

The second big thing is the ability to spend time in the woods. It seems most bow hunters and others either don't have a job (i.e., losers), or are wealthy enough they don't need one (winners); so they have the ability to spend time in the woods to get cozy with, and learn where the animals are and the routes the use to move from one area to another. AND: they're very quiet in the woods adn don't make unnecessary movements!

Tom Kat: a few years ago I took a friend from the midwest on a deer hunting trip out here in Idaho. He was unaccustomed to the idea of climbing a up and down a thousand feet or so and walking several miles a day. No lawn chairs, no elevated box blinds. And when you do kill one, you skin, quarter, meat bag it all on the spot, and then carry it all out in a backpack ... with an orange vest draped over the antlers.

Manly hunting for manly men! When I want an easy hunt easy, I let my boat and trailer carry everything and go for a baot ride in the dark to hunt ducks/geese.
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