.223 on deer?

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.223 on deer?

Postby Jimmy82 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 3:52 am

So, a little background first. I grew up in NE which has a caliber restriction for big game. Rifles must be .24 or lager caliber. NY does not have this restriction, a rifle for big game only has to be centerfire. My 7mm Rem Mag will possibly be down for maintenance this coming season which limits me to a .243 and my new .223. I got the .223 for coyotes, it's the Gandermountain Rem 700 package deal. If my wife hunts this year one of us will have to use the .223 or a muzzle loader. My muzzle loaders are all traditional style flint locks or percussion caps and if there in bad weather this will not be the best option.

So, with that, the .223 is a 1/12 twist, which won't handle heavier rounds well. Since I'm new to the whole concept of using a .223 on deer, is there a round that my rifle will handle that will also kill deer? Would a predator round be enough on a deer? Would range be a factor? The average range for where we will be hunting is 100 yds, maybe 200 max, so I don't think the round would suffer in that range.
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby blackrock » Fri Jul 04, 2014 7:16 am

This is a bad idea. Fix your 7 mag before deer season or borrow another gun. Or buy a Ruger American or something. Plenty of deer have been poached with 22LR but the .243 is really where deer cartridges begin. Especially if your AR won't handle the heavier, well constructed bullets due to twist. Having your wife shoot a deer with a sub performing caliber may need lead to an unpleasant experience if the deer ends up with a horrible superficial wound and has to be dispatched at close range. Trust me on this one. What's the matter with the 7mm that it can't be readied in months? Or if you insist on using the AR buy a different upper in a larger caliber. Even out here deer season is 3 1/2 months away......
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby Jimmy82 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:03 am

The .223 is a Remington 700, not an AR, so getting a new upper is not an option.

I got the 7-mag from an estate auction, and I don't know the history of the gun prior to me getting it. I think it was made in the '80s. I'm afraid it might need a new barrel. It won't hold groups, it's had this problem the entire time I've owned it. I've got a Leupold on it, so I don't believe it's the scope. I should have dealt with it last year, but I put it off. I still have about a month overseas before I come home. I plan on scrubbing the hell out of the barrel and bringing my sniper buddy with me to the range when I get home just to make sure it isn't me. I am usually pretty thorough when cleaning, but there could be a copper build up or it could just be shot out. I don't expect a semi-auto to shoot a 1" group, but a 4" to 5" "group" at 100yds doesn't seem right for a round designed to go out to 300 to 500 yds with ease.
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby blackrock » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:47 am

Sorry, I missed the model on the .223. Easy fix if the 7mm won't group. March it down to a gun shop and trade it for a different used rifle. There is no shortage of reasonably priced used rifles that will shoot tight groups. Most people don't shoot a 7 mag enough to wear it out though, due to the recoil. Good luck getting one dialed in!
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby Jimmy82 » Fri Jul 04, 2014 9:22 am

Honestly, that's something I hadn't really thought of... Definitely something to ponder, and I got the time to ponder it lol.
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby blackrock » Sat Jul 05, 2014 12:10 am

Yep, simple solution. Just take it to a reputable gun shop that deals in used guns and trade it. No explanation is required. Don't get attached to guns that don't fulfill your expectations. I've bought a lot of used S&W revolvers and hunting rifles over the past five years. When the economy is tough it's a buyers market!
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby cbrauly » Sat Aug 16, 2014 1:43 am

Ive killed a lot of deer with my ar15. I used hollow point rounds. It dropped them in their tracks
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby blackrock » Sun Aug 17, 2014 9:48 am

cbrauly wrote:Ive killed a lot of deer with my ar15. I used hollow point rounds. It dropped them in their tracks

That doesn't make it a good idea. Have you ever heard of Jack Oconner? Good reading.......
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby dakotashooter2 » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:22 pm

It depends on your hunting style. My first deer, a 90# doe fell to a 223 at about 40 yards. It dropped like a rock. I had a rock solid rest and took out the lungs. BUT......driving deer is a common practice around here and I have seen a lot of hunter wound a lot of game with .22 centerfire rifles. I've seen 170-180 # bucks hit in the vitals and not even flinch...making for a long tracking job.
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Re: .223 on deer?

Postby :-) » Wed Aug 27, 2014 1:42 pm

.223 is ok if you're only making head or neck shots, but I would never try a heart/lung shot with it.
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