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Postby bayouboy » Mon Feb 09, 2009 4:24 pm

Was wondering what is a good and affordable fluro to use? I think I have only used the coated and don't care for it.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:04 pm

I was talking to the fishing manager at work the other day because I had the same question. He told me Berkley Vanish. He said his dad got a 40 lb stripe in on 8lb line, so that's what I picked up. It was 9.99
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Postby mallard molester » Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:27 pm

yep vanish is pretty good. I had to by 6lb instead of 4 because it was weaker than expected.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:04 pm

Was it your line that broke or your knot?
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Postby mallard molester » Tue Feb 10, 2009 6:02 pm

my knot broke, but pretty much your knot always breaks before your line. I don't mind going up in lb test because the line is pretty thin and flexible.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Tue Feb 10, 2009 9:22 pm

Yeah. I threw some of my 8 lb floro in the sink and I couldn't see it. What kind of knot do you use?
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Postby backcast » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:12 am

Are you wanting to use a flourocarbon line for the entire spool? There are not many advantages of doing this. What makes flourocarbon good is it light refraction AND the stiffness/durability of it as a leader material. For example, I use 10lb powerpro on all my inshore rods and add a 3ft leader of Segaur 20-30lb flourocarbon as a leader. The thin diameter of the powerpro along with the low visibility of flourocarbon gives you the advantage. For livebaiting and jig fishing especially, the powerpro give you extreme sensitivity.
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:33 am

is it for a spinning reel or baitcaster? if youre using a spinning reel use Trilene 100% Flourocarbon, if its a baitcaster use the P-line 100% Flourocarbon. the stiffness of the pline wont be as good on a spinning but the trilene is a little more supple. i fish tournaments every once in a while and fish alot. the power pro idea is also a very good one because u can save a little money. i flip/pitch with 65lb powerpro with a 5 foot sunline leader and that works very well.
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Postby backcast » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:20 pm

DPduckhunter13 wrote: i flip/pitch with 65lb powerpro with a 5 foot sunline leader and that works very well.


Holy crap! what are you flipping for with 65lb PP?
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Postby Montanafowler » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:14 pm

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DPduckhunter13 wrote: i flip/pitch with 65lb powerpro with a 5 foot sunline leader and that works very well.


Holy crap! what are you flipping for with 65lb PP?


my bass tourney buddy runs 85 just for setting the hook.
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 8:14 pm

Flipping for big bass in thick trees. lol. that way when you get a good fish on and he tries to take you into deep into cover you can just haul him out with the tree. the problem is when you get snagged on a limb you gota wrap the line around the hand rail and drive!!
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Postby backcast » Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:25 pm

D@mn! I use 35lb tarpon fishing. For reds and snook on the mangroves, 10-15lb PowerPro with 30lb flouro leader. I honestly think you guys would get more bites if you drastically downsized the tackle. Just my .02.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:20 pm

I have 30 lb power pro with 8 lb Trilene Vanish. I used to do 65lb PP with no leader, but not now. I got hung up yesterday while TRYING to catch some bass on a shakey head and could still pull my boat to the tree with my line.
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Postby mallard molester » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:41 pm

It always amazes me what lb line people use for bass. I've been fishing on the pacific coast all my life and we jig for lingcod up to 400ft down and only use 65lb powerpro. talk about fish running into cover compare a 20lb lingcod running into a underwater cave or crevase to a 4lb bass going for a brush pile? last summer I caught a 40lb halibut on 65powerpro with a 50lb leader. :hammer: Image
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Postby mallard molester » Mon Feb 16, 2009 4:43 pm

Yeah. I threw some of my 8 lb floro in the sink and I couldn't see it. What kind of knot do you use?

improved clinch knot.
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Postby mattm25tx » Mon Feb 16, 2009 8:31 pm

I used to use vanish floro on my baitcasters, and used to backlash all the time the guy at BPS talked me into trying suffix mono and cut the backlashes down to nearly none. and its pretty tough too
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Tue Feb 17, 2009 12:15 am

best thing about powerpro is that 65lb test is the same diameter as 15lb mono. and one could use much smaller and perhaps get more bites, BUT my buddy fished roosevelt yesterday and got taken to the cleaners using 25lb Flourocarbon and a heavy action (1/2-1 1/2 oz) rod by a slot fish. they lost close to 50 fish by not being able to get them outa the trees. the bass here in az love to run into the trees and you can watch them wrap your line around limbs til they can either break free or shake the hook.

on another extreme i will be using 7 lb sunline flouro tomorrow when im drop shotting at pleasant. i have seen a 37lb catfish caught on 6lb p-line (results not common) :tongue:

and use a palomar knot (98% of your line strength) where as a improved clinch knot is only 92%. look up knot wars on youtube and it'll show the videos.
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Postby bayouboy » Tue Feb 17, 2009 4:27 pm

thanks for the input. i went w/ vanish. I use power pro on my flippin stick and will put a leader when i'm not fishing muddy water. also go w/ braid w/ sinko & frog. i fished saturday and liked vanish, the 20# test was stiff but that is expected. again, thank you.

oh yea, i know salt-water guys catch large fish on lighter line, but if all we had to do was reel in the fish in open water, bass fisherman could go w/ the lighter line as well.
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Postby backcast » Wed Feb 18, 2009 10:08 am

bayouboy wrote:
oh yea, i know salt-water guys catch large fish on lighter line, but if all we had to do was reel in the fish in open water, bass fisherman could go w/ the lighter line as well.


you ever seen what a mangrove forest looks like? Not to mention a snook could turn a bass inside out if they were tied tail to tail :yes:
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:17 pm

true, a snook is a more powerfull fish and i havent fished for them so i have no experience on their "smarts", but i have seen slot sized largemouth (13-16" and usually not more than 4 lbs, they are also not usually more than 5.5 years ols) wrap themselves around a limb two to three times and let pressure off the line to shake the hook.

and those fish arent very old or experienced, so imagine a 6-8lb fish (average age is 6-10 years, and average length is 19-24") that has been caught a couple dozen times and is much stronger...its not easy to horse them out even with 50-65lb braid. just saw that yesterday at lake pleasant. i hooked about a 3 1/2 lb and he ran straight for the base of the tree and wraped me up, and i was fishing 65 lb braid. the water is so clear we could see 25 ft and i was in 14 ft of water. spotted her holding bout 6 foot below the surface and stuck her with a jig and got taken to the cleaners.

on a lighter note i would love to fish for some snook, redfish, tarpon and bonefish on my flyrod in the near future :biggrin:
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Postby mallard molester » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:29 pm

:hijacked: sorry bout that

[quote]its not easy to horse them out even with 50-65lb braid. just saw that yesterday at lake pleasant. i hooked about a 3 1/2 lb and he ran straight for the base of the tree and wraped me up, and i was fishing 65 lb braid[quote]

what kind or rods do you use for 65 lb braid? aren't all bass rods made for less than 25lb?. obviously your not sitting their with a halibut rod.
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Wed Feb 18, 2009 11:56 pm

im using a 7'4 extra heavy Daiwa Zillion (actually stated as a swimbait rod) fast action, rated 15-30 lb test and 1/2-2 oz lures. the 65 lb braid is 15 lb diameter and when i get snagged i gota wrap the line around the cleat and get on the trolling motor. obviously i cant lift a full 65 lbs with the rod but i havent exactly tried. i just use it for the diameter thats closer to the 25 lb flouro (otherwise my knot breaks all the time) and for the lack of stretch.
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Postby bayouboy » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:56 am

okay backcast. go flipping and pitching w/ a one ounce bait in matted grass and buckbrush w/ less than 20 lb test and tell me how many fish you land.
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Postby NHDuckHunter » Thu Feb 19, 2009 11:11 am

The lb test doesn't matter in the slightest, forget the number, I don't care if it said 100 lb test powerpro. what you need to look at is its diameter. I will put the heaviest line on my reel possible as long as I can get the LENGTH of line I want on a reel of a decent size. I fish for bass in 10 fow or less, pitch jigs maybe 20 feet, I really don't need more then say 40 yards of line in reality. So, I just double it, say I'll put 80-100 yards of line on. O'kay, what diameter line can I use. 65 lb PP works perfectly. BTW, powerpro sucks in most saltwater applications anyway, at least around here. Too many rocks, super lines hate rocks.

the best fluoro I have found is the P-Line. I really don't like the Vanish at all. the P-Line is great unless it is really cold.
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Postby backcast » Thu Feb 19, 2009 4:59 pm

bayouboy wrote:okay backcast. go flipping and pitching w/ a one ounce bait in matted grass and buckbrush w/ less than 20 lb test and tell me how many fish you land.


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