I reload the Estates two times c/o the 1oz loads with the 12so wads but some of them might need a drop of candle wax
since some times the crimp is not always perfect. They take too much powder for 1 1/8oz loads,for me, lots of better hulls that use less powder but a good deal, when they are free ,if you can find them for 1oz loads. You might also try the AA12L 7/8oz wads if your crimps are too deep if you use powders with minimal grains and that are not "Fluffy" like Red Dot. My minimum e3 load for a 1oz Estate load is 16.2 for around 1180fps, 16.7 for around 1230fps, which has a good crimp and no wax needed.
I also use Rem Gun Clubs and have an X-lite 1oz #8 at 1090fps with w209,13.5gr e3 and a WW12L wad but 17grs of Red Dot
gives a Fac 1180fps with cb1100 and a w209.
These throw away hulls have worked ok for me but I did have THREE Federal paper base wad hulls fail to chaimber in my 12Ga. O/U........due to the "brass" cracking / peeling back. I do not use these for reloading any more and now full resize the others,just to be on the safe side, just in case the alum/what ever has been streached.
One reason I save real Brass hulls for serious field or trap shooting, knowing that they feed in every gun that I own.
I found out a few days ago, using Green Dot for HDCP (1st time ever)...1 1/8 oz....Rem STS,w209, 18.3 grains , cb3118 wad
might be what they call a starting or X-Lite load........only 1116 fps !! Green @ 19.5 works a lot better.