.223 Ammo

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.223 Ammo

Postby Tenner10 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:49 pm

Hey everyone
I was wondering what everyone shoots out of their Bolt Action .223's.
I like to shoot whistle pigs and coyotes and want to buy some bulk ammo but not spend a fortune.
I was thinking about Silver Bear 55 gr. and Wolf 55 gr.
I know that the AR15's have some trouble with this ammo because of the steel cases but what about bolt actions.

Thanks for the advice
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Postby bgoldhunter » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:55 pm

What twist do you have? What I would recommend would depend on how fast you can spin 'em.

I, for one, wouldn't have any of the Wolf stuff touch a rifle of mine, but that's me.
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Postby Tenner10 » Tue Mar 25, 2008 7:07 am

It just a 1in12 twist. In a 22 inch barrel. What is the big problem with wolf. I dont see why everyone dislikes it???
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Postby bgoldhunter » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:52 pm

It is inaccurate, dirty, foul smelling, underpowered combloc ammunition. Just not my thing. Some guys love it, some don't-the threads have been done to death on places like ARFCOM.

Silver Bear isn't much better, but I guess on the whole it really depends on what you are doing with your rifle if it really matters much or not.
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Postby jrockncash » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:07 pm

I have heard nothing but bad things about wolf for exactly the same reason that Bg just said.

I have shot it and it was terribly inaccurate. If your shooting sand rats then I would get some a little better ammo and save yourself the frustration of not hitting them. You will save money buy killing all the dogs your shooting at and not trying to hit them with 3/4 shots.

Cabelas had a sell on bulk .223 awhile back but I cant find it right now.
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Postby Tenner10 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:23 pm

Ok thanks guys. Since Silver Bear and Wolf are out of the question what does everyone think about the American Eagle Tactical rounds or the Ultramax ReManufactured Rounds.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:57 pm

You get what you pay for, and that's all I got to say about that.
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Postby Spiraleyes » Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:45 pm

Tenner10 wrote:Ok thanks guys. Since Silver Bear and Wolf are out of the question what does everyone think about the American Eagle Tactical rounds or the Ultramax ReManufactured Rounds.


My Rem 700 shoots 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards on Ultramax. The fact that it's an inexpensive load is just a bonus.

When I bought my gun, I bought 4 or 5 different brands to test them out. Among them were Federal, Wolf, American Eagle, and the Ultramax.

Ironically, the Federals, most expensive by far, were the loads with the worst results. Take brands and prices with a grain of salt.

Try a few loads, and go from there. Each gun can have a different taste. :wink:
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:14 am

Not to nock you, but 1/2" groups at 100 yds. is not that great. My T/C Omega muzzloader will do that all day. How many rounds did you shoot? A half inch a 100 yards will start messing up real quick when you get to the farther ranges. Cheap ammo is just that... Cheap. Either handload or fork out a few extra bucks to get some stuff that you know will perform. If you're going for range pick up some loads with a boat tail and a high ballistics coefficient. Find out who makes the bullets and go to their webpage to look up the BC. Most of the good performing stuff is premium, so you should make reloading an option. If you're looking for cheap, Remmington Core Lockt ammo is usually good to a certain point.
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Postby duckplucker » Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:15 pm

Ultramax shot well out of my gun last year prairie dog shooting. its cheap enough, and has good performance accuracy wise for its price.
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Postby clemaire2 » Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:33 pm

i have the rem. 700 .223 & .204 hornidy/whenchester silver tips
shot the best in both guns it will touch holes @ 200 yards (perfect conditions)
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Postby seabee67 » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:52 am

I get one ragged hole at 100 yds from my cheap stevens 200 and cheap wolf 55gr. hollow pts. However I dont know yet how they perform on yotes. They decimate chucks though!
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Postby Varminter » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:35 pm

Looks like this thread is about a year old, but what the heck...

Wolf ammo is good for one thing: so you can shoot 30 rounds out of your AR-15 as fast as you can at 50 yards and brag how you got 20 of them on a paper plate. IMO, Wolf .223 is worthless for hunting. I would never use any kind of FMJ ammo for hunting, anyway.

I get the best accuracy out of my Savage 10 with 52gr Sierra HPBT - 1/4" MOA.

However, for hunting coyote, I sacrifice a little accuracy for a more appropriate bullet: 55gr V-Max - 1/2" MOA.
If you don't handload, try a box of 55gr Hornady TAP or Federal Premium with 55gr Nosler ballistic tips... maybe even lighter with a 1:12 twist.

As far as the price of ammo goes... suck it up. Seriously, we're talking about a bolt-action hunting rifle. This is not something that you're going to take to the range and fire a thousand rounds through it. This is a gun you're going to fire at an animal, or at paper to check the zero a few times a year. If you go through more than 2-3 boxes ($40-60) a year, you're a lucky hunter.
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Postby nitrousneil » Sat Feb 14, 2009 7:10 pm

i shoot hornady 55gr out of mine, it puts them on top of each other at the range with no wind.
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Postby DPduckhunter13 » Sun Feb 15, 2009 1:10 am

im a personal fan of black hills match 52 gr hollow point. knocked down a pdog at 762 (verified with a leica range finder) with my savage 12bvss. my favs for coyotes are the hornady TAP 55 gr, HSM 50 gr. double hollowpoint, and black hills red box 55 gr VMAX. if you hit shoulder with the double hollowpoint you will not get an exit wound on a coyote (good for pelts :yes: )
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