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Postby Preacher1011 » Sun May 18, 2008 12:55 pm

I counsel a Christian camp during the Jr. High week over the summer. This year I decided to go ahead and speak one of the nights. The them of the week is "Transformers" and my topic is "Worldly to Godly." I'm planning on splitting the stage into two parts with tape. On one side I'll put "Worldly" and on the other "Godly". The tape will signify a boundary, and I'm planning on talking about how in the Bible there are grey areas and how God made bounaries to keep us safe and the point of them is to see how far AWAY from them you can stay instead of how close you can get to them without crossing the line. My three main points are "Worldly", "Grey Areas", and "Godly". I'll explain what the world wants you to think and what God has to say about it. I'm probably going to use traps as an illustration for the worldly side of things too. I'm also trying to fit this video in as well, it's a great video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AYsClDclvf0


Anyway, I was wondering if you guys had any other ideas for my topic. I'm getting it squared away, but really am open to suggestions. I figure that any help is good help, and I'm sure you guys have a few ideas. Thanks, and sorry for the long windedness.
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Postby HotDog » Sun May 18, 2008 5:40 pm

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Postby Preacher1011 » Sun May 18, 2008 8:01 pm

Got it, thanks again HotDog :thumbsup:
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Postby capn - Tx » Tue May 27, 2008 1:43 pm

How many kids, and what spiritual level are you dealing with? Kids that have never been in a church and just got invited to camp, or kids that have grown up in church and have a solid theological understanding of the basic tenets of the faith? That will really define your angle and should be at the forefront of your mind.

One quick suggestion: "boundaries" can be a dangerous topic, depending upon how they are presented. The Pharisees had many man-made and extra-scriptural boundaries that they had created in order to "help them remain holy", and Christ constantly pointed out both the selfishness that existed in the creation of those boundaries and the audacity it took for men to treat rules created by men with the same reverence as the Law written by God.

I think that many modern day churches have created a very Pharisee-like set of man-made rules that are taught with the same reverence as Scripture. Children, and especially teenagers, are pounded over the head with with rules and boundaries and taught a message of fear (or crossing a boundary) rather than victory over sin. For teenagers, this is a turn off. The last thing teenagers want is additional rules imposed upon them by authority figures. Keep that in mind. Another danger is that man-made boundaries often create failure later on down the road. They can be made to brew fear and a holier than though sense that deflates ministry to non-believers. For example, the man-made rule of no drinking has caused many believers to fear alcohol and being around it, or to treat others consuming alcohol as less holy than themselves. This defeats any ministry to a person that drinks beer.

In my mind, the best method to teach developing minds is not rules, it is understanding. Where the Bible lays it out in black and white, we must know what it says and there is no room for error. But, where there are grey areas, we must know what the Bible means in order to determine the best course of action.

To me, the debate about worldly vs. Godly is a debate about understanding. Christians must not only know what the Bible says, they must understand what it means. It is understanding that will lead each individual to proper discernment when they reach a grey area. We were not made to be clones, and we will often be led differently by the Spirit. But in order to discern the Spirit's leading, it is crucial that we have a solid understanding of Scripture. So is it OK to drink a beer after you turn 21? I can't answer that for anyone. It is certainly Biblically permissable, but not necessarily wise one way or another. I have been in situations where drinking a beer would have killed my ministry, and I have been in situations where refusing a beer would have killed my ministry. It takes understanding to discern the difference. However, it is not Biblically permissable to be drunk - you don't get a choice there.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Wed May 28, 2008 9:49 am

They're all kids that have been brought up in the church. Thanks for that Capn, you brought up some good points there. I think I'll be cutting out the "Grey Areas" part and will be putting in "traps" instead. Such as traps that Satan caught people in the Bible in, and how to avoid them in your life.
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Postby capn - Tx » Wed May 28, 2008 10:49 am

I think that approach will help make sure that your message is Biblically sound and not full of manmade rules. It will also help teach them to look into Scripture to see how situations and problems are handled, which of course is a great lesson.

If they have grown up church, try to find some not so commonly used examples so that it is new to them. Perhaps talk about God's warning to Solomon about wives, the result of not following God's warning, and how God dealt with it, and apply that to choosing who makes up your inner circle and most trusted of friends that influence your actions. Talk about Joseph fleeing the adulterous wife, how he was punished and saw consequences (maybe made fun of), but saw reward in the end (ask which is more valuable). Instead of using David and Bathsheeba, use how David reacted after his son's death - he got up and went on with life instead of reveling in his own failure. They will all fail, but how they deal with failure is a trap.

You might see if you could include some clips of Evan Almighty (that name might be wrong, it's the Noah's ark one) to throw some humor in it. There are definitely some traps to fall into, and "God" forcing Evan to look past them.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu May 29, 2008 8:34 pm

For the traps part I'm actually going to set a trap and show how we disguise them to look natural and use bait to bring the target animal in to catch it. I'm going to say that satan isn't the red devil depicted in cartoons, but a crafty stealthy villan that is hard to been seen sometimes, just as traps are hard to detect. I'm also going to say that satan sets the traps and uses bait to trap you once then trap you worse and worse which makes you comprimise and go further and further to the "ungodly" side of the line. For example... Satan says looking at women in bikinis in Sports Illustrated won't hurt, that turns into pornograpy, which can lead to much worse, like turning women into nothing more than eye candy, which could lead to premarital sex. Then I'll say that something so innocent and looking at bikinis can turn into something much worse because of satan's traps.
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Postby pappy » Sat May 31, 2008 1:06 pm

the grey areas.....

those are the ones that lead most people into a trap. the media, politicians and even the liberal clergy can twist a premise of God into something totally different or even just cast doubt upon it to make us fall victim to satan. if someone cant cast just the smallest doubt upon it creates thought. therein is where most sin begins. just as a thought. i don't think very many of us have seen satan appear with horns holding a pitchfork to tempt us. if he can get in our heads and control our thought thus it is just as powerful as a physical manifestation.

when Jesus was tempted in the desert he had been without food and water for many days. i think God allowed him to have thoughts that tempted mortal men. Jesus countered these thoughts by saying "it is written" using the old testement scipture to deflate the bubble of doubt that satan was trying to cast. Finally Jesus said get thee behind me satan. that was done as an example to us that when the enemy cast thoughts of doubt upon us we must turn our back and walk away from them.

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Postby MissedAgain » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:49 pm

I want to caution you. There are NO GRAY AREAS! :hammer:

It is one of those if you aren't with me you are against me kind of things. God and sin do not go together at all.

Either we follow God or we follow something else. Capn speaks very well - heed what he says.

Paul talks about the fruits of the flesh and the spiritual fruits in Galatians 5. Paul talks about dying to ourselves daily. Christ said to pick up our cross and follow Him.

Again - there are no gray areas. Paul said he did not know what sin was until he learned the Law. Everything contrary to God's law is sin. :hammer:

It is amazing how much we sin on a daily basis. Have you ever said I deserve that beer? Thinking you deserved it was a sin. Looking at the hottie at Hooters was a sin - merely being in Hooters was a sin (you know the girls prostitute their shapely little bodies there and yet you went it - bad! - avoid even the apperance of evil).

It goes on and on. Anger, lust, greed, envy, etc.. The Law tells us how to live spearated/holy lives and helps us to realize how badly we need Messiah and the blood covering He wants to give us.

Speak from the scriptures and not your ideas. Focus on the positive and challenge your audience without all the talk about negative stuff... It is easier to focus on the fruits of the spirit or the armor of God than it is to focus on the flesh and bad behaviors.

The last thing I have is that God makes us Godly. When we have a conversion experience it blows our minds and changes us in an instant. Then we either get stuff ripped out of us or we slowly change. God does it, not anything else. Even the "good" people need a savior.

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Postby capn - Tx » Wed Jun 18, 2008 1:10 pm

MissedAgain wrote:Either we follow God or we follow something else. Capn speaks very well - heed what he says.

It is amazing how much we sin on a daily basis. Have you ever said I deserve that beer? Thinking you deserved it was a sin. Looking at the hottie at Hooters was a sin - merely being in Hooters was a sin (you know the girls prostitute their shapely little bodies there and yet you went it - bad! - avoid even the apperance of evil).


Judging by your definitions of sin, I don't think you have heeded what I said at all. In fact, you're doing here exactly what I was cautioning NOT to do - adding to Scripture.
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