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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby GroundSwatter » Wed Dec 16, 2009 11:55 am

Lakeside41 wrote:I am enjoying reading all of the opinions. It has narrowed down my choices but I don't think I will ever hear a difinitive answer because there are just too many factors. I do not plan on reloading so I will definitely be going with a caliber that is common. I appreciate the opinions and hope I continue to hear a few more. I think the more the debates occur the more info I can slowly pull from them. I am down to 308, 7mm, and 30-06. However, another forum made a huge case for the 25-06 for a deer gun. Even though I am going to hunt deer 99% of the time I am thinking I would love to have a gun that gives me options.
I have been told for years that you can't go wrond with the 06 but for some reason I can't fall in love with it.


You said you wanted a common round and a versatile round and the 30-06 is both of those. I too felt the same way, until I got one. Just look at factory ammo for it, and you'll find rounds with bullets that are 120 gr all the way up to 220 gr. You can go here for a pretty good place to [url=http://www.shootingtimes.com/ballistics/?url=%2Fballistics%2F30_06.html&x=6&y=9
]compare ballistics.[/url] The 06 is hard to beat for the cost and versatility of it.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby house » Wed Dec 16, 2009 3:23 pm

Preacher1011 wrote:For anything in the world? I'd have to go with a .338 Win Mag in a Remington 700. Plenty of punch for nearly everything, using solids it would take down any and everything on the globe.



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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby bgoldhunter » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:30 am

Several animals on this globe I wouldn't chase with a .338...but I like my skin.

I'd rather my 30-06 be necked down to .257 or .284. YMMV.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby hntnnut » Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:39 am

The 30-06, Jack of all trades-master of none. Production of the "ought 6" should of ceased in 1925 with the introduction of the only cartridge needed from mice to elephants and kills like a death-ray, the .270 Win. :biggrin:


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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby assateague » Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:58 pm

Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. I love my rifle.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:39 am

I love my Browning A-Bolts in 300 WSM, easily sub 1" MOA and mine are in the .5" range with my handloads. Light weight rifles, Great triggers that are adjustable and the FIt/finish is a lot better than I see on a lot of other brands.

I like the 300 WSM due to the softer recoil rather than the hard kick from the 300 Win Mag but with the same velocity. The 300 will take down every thing from Varmints (with the hornady 110gr vmax) to the biggest bears. out the 350 yds my 180gr BT reloads will easily pass thru a big deer even if you hit bone. And they shoot flatter than a 25-06 or 7mm acording to my ballistic program.

But I know guys in maine that hunt every thing from Coyotes to Moose with a 30-30 and never have any issues at all.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Sandman3400 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:06 pm

hntnnut wrote:The 30-06, Jack of all trades-master of none. Production of the "ought 6" should of ceased in 1925 with the introduction of the only cartridge needed from mice to elephants and kills like a death-ray, the .270 Win. :biggrin:


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Which is merely a .30-06 case necked down to .27 caliber.

.270 is a great caliber, but the question was about versatility. The .30-06 is the most versatile caliber out there. Anything from 55 grain varmint loads (Rem. X-celerator) to 220 grain big game loads, and it is possible to handload 250grain if you want a really big load. Unless you are doing the elephant and rhino thing, the .30-06 will do the job. And I am not really biased, as my rifle of choice is my .243.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Sandman3400 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 7:07 pm

All of that being said, I would hate to have to be limited to one rifle. That is just no fun.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby jmr450 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:52 pm

you cant go wrong with a marlin 39a in 30-30
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby jrockncash » Thu Jan 14, 2010 10:23 pm

assateague wrote:Marlin 336 in .35 Remington. I love my rifle.



This man may not know plastics but he sure knows guns. :thumbsup:

For me I would pick 1895 in 45-70. I just love that setup and Marlin rifles are outstanding.

While I was reading this though I kept thinking .35 whelen.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby fenton_3 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 12:01 pm

Unless you hand load you are much better off getting a .30-06, .308, or 7mm Rem Mag - just due to the simple fact of popularity and avaliblity of vast ammo selections. Try to find a store that sells ammo and does not carry .30-06 any where in the world! All three of these calibers will kill any North American game out to 300 yards, which is much farther than the average shooter (me included) can shoot effectivly. If I had to choose just one - I would go with the .30-06 over the others due to versitility. The .308 is a little limited on bullet selection due to case size. The 7mm mag does not have the frontal area (we can argue sectional density over frontal area all day) and is belted. I have never been a fan of the belted mags due to the fact that they head space off the belt. I personally shoot a .300 WSM, but only because I hand load and can make just about anything I want. IMO the .30-06 is still more versitile as it will handle 220 gr bullets and the .300 WSM does not handle them very well. In fact anything over 180 gr is not very effective in the .300 WSM. You could jump up to the .300 Win Mag, but you pay the price in recoil, and once again out to 300 yrds the .30-06 will kill them just as dead with a good shot. .270 is another obvious choice but once again lacks the frontal area and is limited when it comes to bullet selection. Anything under the .270 or .308 is not a good all around gun and is more of a specific game round for lighter skinned North American game. That is not to say a .243 will not kill and elk out to 300 yards, but there are much better options to do it! Anything larger than the .300 Win Mag is just to big for the average shooter. The .338 win mag is a big gun and unless you spend time practicing with it - you will not be able to shoot it effectivly when the time comes.

For my .02 cents it the .30-06 hands down!!!
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Sandman3400 » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:16 pm

If I had to choose only one, it would easily be the .30-06 for versatility. However it is much more fun to have a different rifle for everything that I want to hunt!
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby goodkarmarising » Wed Jan 20, 2010 2:53 pm

I have a 7mm mag that can take any game in North America but boy can it kick at times. I have a Marlin 30-30 that makes a good brush gun. The ballistics are good, but at times would be nice to shoot something that doesn't kick as much.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby whiskyjack » Fri Jan 22, 2010 10:25 pm

35 Whelen, has serious cool factor as well as it will handle anything from deer to moose and the big bears with proper placement.
Mine is an old Ruger 77 with irons, very accurate to 250 yards, my personal limit.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby orh20fowl » Sat Jan 23, 2010 11:04 am

I'll jump in - I'd pick the 300 Win Mag
It's versatile - you can use it for everything from coyotes to moose (of course, an elk is usually harder to knock down than a moose)
It's effective at long range - with reasonably good trajectory
If you hand load, you can use a wide range of bullets
If you need factory ammo, you can usually find it almost anywhere
It is what I use 90% of the time (when I'm not packing a bow) - I've taken pig, blacktail deer, mule deer, pronghorn, bear and elk with mine - never failed me
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Lakeside41 » Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:05 pm

Thank you for all of the opinions. I have enjoyed the debate and suggestions. I guess I will begin watching for a good deal on a 30-06. I am left handed so I will most likely purchase a remington model 700. I would like a BDL I have shot that in .270 and loved it.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Sandman3400 » Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:07 am

I found a left-handed Ruger M77 .30-06 on sale for $450 at Bass Pro last summer when I was looking for a larger rifle. Call around and check on Gunsamerica.com. There are deals out there if you are willing to look at different brands.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby duckman27 » Fri Feb 19, 2010 7:17 pm

For everything in North America get a 30-06 for everything everywhere i'd say a .300 or a .338. If you want to get crazy you could get a Barret M82 .50. Yeah it'd be a little rough on the prairie dogs but you would't have to worry about wheather you have enough gun to get the job done :lol3:
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby hntnnut » Wed Mar 03, 2010 12:40 am

Sandman3400 wrote:
hntnnut wrote:The 30-06, Jack of all trades-master of none. Production of the "ought 6" should of ceased in 1925 with the introduction of the only cartridge needed from mice to elephants and kills like a death-ray, the .270 Win. :biggrin:


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Which is merely a .30-06 case necked down to .27 caliber.

.270 is a great caliber, but the question was about versatility. The .30-06 is the most versatile caliber out there. Anything from 55 grain varmint loads (Rem. X-celerator) to 220 grain big game loads, and it is possible to handload 250grain if you want a really big load. Unless you are doing the elephant and rhino thing, the .30-06 will do the job. And I am not really biased, as my rifle of choice is my .243.

Actually the parent cartridge for the .270 is the 30-03 which is also the parent cartridge of the 30-06. This also explains the longer case lengh of the .270 compared to the 30-06

The .270 Winchester (or 6.8x65mm) was developed by Winchester Repeating Arms Company in 1923 and unveiled in 1925 as a chambering for their bolt action Model 54[2]. The cartridge is based upon the .30-03 (the longer parent case for the .30-06 Springfield). When loaded with a bullet that expands rapidly or fragments in tissue, this cartridge delivers devastating terminal performance, including remote wounding effects known as hydrostatic shock.[3][4][5]


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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby oneshot-duckdown » Thu Mar 04, 2010 4:48 pm

I am going to forget about the african game and talk about north american animals. if i had to choose one caliber for any north american game it would have to be a Weatherby .257 magnum. it is a magnum cartridge without the magnnum recoil. it can be loaded down for varmit hunting or say, prairie dog whackin and it can be loaded up to hunt the larger game as well. It is fast, flat, and super accurate. Alot of people think bigger game bigger bullet and this ain't so. I don't care what anyone says. it is ultimatley, where you put said bullet that matters. i have rifles ranging from the .17hmr all the way up to a rigby .416 but if i had to get rid of all of them and keep only one. it would most definatley be my trusty weatherby sporter .257 magnum topped with the ziess 4x14 conquest
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Kurt » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:04 pm

how many rounds do you get till you have to replace the tube on that. on average my freinds have been geting about 800-1000 but we push them pretty damn hard
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby hairyheadhammer » Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:07 am

Lakeside41 wrote:I am enjoying reading all of the opinions. It has narrowed down my choices but I don't think I will ever hear a difinitive answer because there are just too many factors. I do not plan on reloading so I will definitely be going with a caliber that is common. I appreciate the opinions and hope I continue to hear a few more. I think the more the debates occur the more info I can slowly pull from them. I am down to 308, 7mm, and 30-06. However, another forum made a huge case for the 25-06 for a deer gun. Even though I am going to hunt deer 99% of the time I am thinking I would love to have a gun that gives me options.
I have been told for years that you can't go wrond with the 06 but for some reason I can't fall in love with it.


I shoot an 06 and love it I have yet to have to chase or track a deer after the shot, which I have had to do for my buddies that shoot 270's and 243's and such smaller faster rounds. Nothing like the good solid thump that round puts on deer and when I was into bear hunting (young mans sport) I shot 220 grain rounds all through a 743 Wingmaster semi. Also for you range snobs this round in the 03 springfield regularly competes in the 1000 yrd matches.

Now Jack O'Conner was the 270's biggest fan and it is a very versatile round.

I also have a 25-06 which I will be using for long range varmits and maybe try on deer.

Having been in the Army the 308 is a beast in it's own and ammo can be picked up anywhere in the world.

Good luck with what-ever you choose,but don't knock the 06 till you shoot it.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby ajmorell » Tue Apr 06, 2010 3:07 pm

hairyheadhammer wrote:I shot 220 grain rounds all through a 743 Wingmaster semi.


WTH is a Remington 743 Wingmaster? Remington made a 742, 74, 740, 7400 and 750 for autoloaders but never a 743, they also never made a rifle in 'Wingmaster' trim, just ADL and BDL in standard and carbine configurations.

Good luck with what-ever you choose,but don't knock the 06 till you shoot it.


Agreed 100%. A lot of people don't like the -06 because it isn't "exotic" but when it comes right down to it the -06 is one of the most versatile calibers there is....period.
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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby r47smiley » Tue Apr 13, 2010 7:52 am

On a side note I hear good things about the Winchester short mag. In fact a purchased on the other day and should be taking it to the range in another week and a half. If you interested let me know and I'll share my thoughts.

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Re: IF you could pick only one rifle

Postby Kurt » Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:09 am

which short mag as there is a few of them
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