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Help me choose a rifle...

Postby MAX4Utah » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:14 am

I am new to big game hunting this year. I am going to get a rifle for the Mule Deer hunt in Utah. I really dont know much about rifles. I have narrowed it to a 270 or 308 caliber.

I need your input on what brand of guns to look at and what features to look for. I know i don't want a Remington, other than that i'm open to options. Thanks for the help!
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby ajmorell » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:20 pm

IMO the best bang for your buck is gonna be a Tikka T3. Both of the calibers you listed will do the job but I would take the 270 over the 308. I myself shoot a Browning X-Bolt Hunter in 30-06 and love it. It is a bit more expensive than the T3 but the quality of the wood and the fit and finish made it worth it for me.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Sandman3400 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:43 pm

I am partial to the Ruger M77. They make a top quality product that looks good and will last forever. You will also not find anyone with better customer service. I also think that the integral scope rings that come with it (saving you $60 to $100, by the way) are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

That being said, most of the mainstream manufacturers make good products. Browning and Savage (the upper end models, not the edge, axis, etc.) are good. Tikka is good.

I would personally pick the .270 over the .308 for mule deer. It is much flatter shooing, and packs all the punch you need for any mule deer out there. .308 will certainly do the job, though.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby jhend08 » Fri Feb 18, 2011 4:12 pm

Check out the Browning X Bolt in .270 cal. My brother stomped a NM Aoudad at 400 yards and the bullet broke both shoulders and punched right on through. Good, flat shooting guns.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Sagebrush » Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:55 pm

270 and 30-06 are the standard but a feather in your cap if you can put one down with the old 30-30.

I have all three .....but the 30 cal has lots of bullets to choose from and a TON of them if you reload, from the little 100 grain rabbit/target load for the kids to the big old mean 220 grain monster.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby MAX4Utah » Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:54 am

Thanks for the replys! I am looking at the Browning A-Bolt right now. The X-Bolt looks nice too, but the extra $300 is not worth the extra features to me right now. By the sounds of it, i'll go with the 270.

I have not looked into the Tikka,,, Ill do some research for sure.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby 2500hdon37s » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:19 pm

MAX4Utah wrote:Thanks for the replys! I am looking at the Browning A-Bolt right now. The X-Bolt looks nice too, but the extra $300 is not worth the extra features to me right now. By the sounds of it, i'll go with the 270.

I have not looked into the Tikka,,, Ill do some research for sure.

the Tikkas are defintly some very nice rifles, my buddy has one i belive it is a 270 and its a tack driver at 200yds with his reloads. im defineitly more of a 270 fan and you can go wrong with the browning or Tikka :thumbsup:
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Sandman3400 » Mon Feb 21, 2011 9:18 am

MAX4Utah wrote:Thanks for the replys! I am looking at the Browning A-Bolt right now. The X-Bolt looks nice too, but the extra $300 is not worth the extra features to me right now. By the sounds of it, i'll go with the 270.

I have not looked into the Tikka,,, Ill do some research for sure.


I don't think you can go wrong with either the A-bolt or the Tikka. Personally, I would buy the A-bolt in a heartbeat before spending another $300 for an X-bolt.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby ajmorell » Mon Feb 21, 2011 2:47 pm

If you can find an A-Bolt in the Caliber you want snatch it up. At the time I bought my X-Bolt Browning was no longer making the caliber in the A-Bolt model I wanted. That being said, I still think that the $700 I paid for my X-Bolt was a bargain.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby FMFdevildoc » Tue Feb 22, 2011 2:03 am

Tikka and Sako produce excellent centerfire rifles... however....

Allow me to plug the Savage line of rifles; although a much smaller caliber (.223) and different uses: varmints, predator and yes... white tails it has proven to be a great bolt gun.

For 780.00 I got a Model 12BVSS: Fluted, free floated barrel, factory jeweled bolt / overdose bolt handle, 'custom style' laminate wood stock and the "ACCUtrigger".

With a 1:9 twist and the handload we cooked up for it, I shot 3 shot groups @ 100yds and 200yds that could be covered with a nickel and quarter respectively. For 780.00 + scope, IMO I have a very accurate weapon, that came from the factory with numerous options which all lend to the accuracy.

Savage, IMO makes some seriously accurate rifles "out of the box" with fairly competitive pricing. And I am no die hard products loyalist either, if a 300.00 Chinese Made / Tonka Toy brand rifle did the same for me, I would buy it.

Ultimately whether Tikka, Browning, Savage - etc. I hope you find the rifle that suits your prerogative and makes you content. Good luck and post some pics when you find it! !
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Sandman3400 » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:19 am

Any quality rifle should be sub-MOA out of the box if you can find the load it likes. Both my Ruger 30-06 and my Savage 110 in .243 give me 1 inch or less groups with no modifations (other than mounting a scope) once I found the ammo they like. For my Savage .243 it is the Hornady Custom 100gr. BTSP Interlock. For my Ruger M77 MkII .30-06 it is Federal 150gr PSP. I only had to try 3 or 4 types of ammo in each to find one that shoots the way I want it to.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby ajmorell » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:29 am

I've shot several groups under 1/2 MOA with my X-Bolt so plugging the Savage as being more accurate isn't really fair. They do make a decent gun for the money but they lack the fit and finish you'll find in a Tikka, Browning, Kimber or higher end Remington 700
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:05 am

Nothing wrong with the 270................

at 300 yards its 150gr has 1716 ft lbs energy vs the 30-06 180gr at 1765 ft lbs per factory ammo from Hornady.

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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby tucker301 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:03 pm

Savage consistently gives out of the box accuracy at an attractive price.
Also consider 270 WSM and .260.

Several finish grades to choose from.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby tucker301 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:13 pm

ajmorell wrote:I've shot several groups under 1/2 MOA with my X-Bolt so plugging the Savage as being more accurate isn't really fair.


It's plenty fair.
Your Browning may well shoot several 1/2 MOA groups (5 shots, I presume?), but rifle after rifle after rifle, Savage's out of the box accuracy is simply legendary.
Oh, and that dead muley don't care much about how pretty that rifle that just killed him was. :thumbsup:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/04/savage-factory-guns-win-hickory-shoot-savage-6br-ships-this-week/

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/team-savage-multiple-medals/

Feel free to post links to Browning's wins.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby ajmorell » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:19 am

tucker301 wrote:
ajmorell wrote:I've shot several groups under 1/2 MOA with my X-Bolt so plugging the Savage as being more accurate isn't really fair.


It's plenty fair.
Your Browning may well shoot several 1/2 MOA groups (5 shots, I presume?), but rifle after rifle after rifle, Savage's out of the box accuracy is simply legendary.
Oh, and that dead muley don't care much about how pretty that rifle that just killed him was. :thumbsup:

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2008/04/savage-factory-guns-win-hickory-shoot-savage-6br-ships-this-week/

http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/team-savage-multiple-medals/

Feel free to post links to Browning's wins.


I wasn't saying the Savage isn't accurate, I was simply saying that most guns out there (Savage, Browning, Winchester, Remington, Tikka, etc) are going to shoot MOA or better out of the box, which is more than adequate for just about every hunter out there. The muley may not care about how pretty my rifle is, but I do. If you have a hard-on for Savage that's great but I don't. They are an excellent gun for the money, just not my personal first choice if buying a new gun.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Bucktweet » Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:06 pm

Here's a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade 270 with 10 rounds fired out of it if you're interested.

I'm getting ready to put it on Gunbroker for $900.

Not a scratch or mark on it.

Let me know if you're interested.

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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby Leadhead » Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:31 am

If you know someone with an FFL e-mail CDNN and request a catalog. Many new rifles to chose from at reaonable prices.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby devildog28 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:23 pm

I'd suggest a savage. You won't find a more accurate rifle at a good price.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby njonesy_07 » Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:28 am

I own a Savage, they are great quality rifles and pretty accurate too for right out of the box.

That being said, I would without a doubt go with a Tikka T3.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby TomKat » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:38 am

All of the guns mentioned are good guns. I think the consensus of a .270 over .308 is right on the money.

My .270 is a Ruger M77 and it is a lights out shooter...as are all of my savages, and my pre 64 model 70 in .30-06
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:47 am

I have a Ruger M77 30-06 and love it as well. I would definitely look at Ruger, but there are several good rifle brands out there. I would also say go .270 over .308. I would also say look at the 30-06, since a .270 is just a necked down 30-06.
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby TomKat » Mon Mar 21, 2011 2:47 pm

GroundSwatter wrote:I have a Ruger M77 30-06 and love it as well. I would definitely look at Ruger, but there are several good rifle brands out there. I would also say go .270 over .308. I would also say look at the 30-06, since a .270 is just a necked down 30-06.


WELL....allmost....why is it that that necked down .30-06 shoots flatter at longer ranges? Hmmmmmm
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby ajmorell » Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:30 am

TomKat wrote:
GroundSwatter wrote:I have a Ruger M77 30-06 and love it as well. I would definitely look at Ruger, but there are several good rifle brands out there. I would also say go .270 over .308. I would also say look at the 30-06, since a .270 is just a necked down 30-06.


WELL....allmost....why is it that that necked down .30-06 shoots flatter at longer ranges? Hmmmmmm


Lighter bullet, more velocity, smaller x-sectional area......
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Re: Help me choose a rifle...

Postby GroundSwatter » Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:51 pm

TomKat wrote:
GroundSwatter wrote:I have a Ruger M77 30-06 and love it as well. I would definitely look at Ruger, but there are several good rifle brands out there. I would also say go .270 over .308. I would also say look at the 30-06, since a .270 is just a necked down 30-06.


WELL....allmost....why is it that that necked down .30-06 shoots flatter at longer ranges? Hmmmmmm


Why is it that a .270 has an identical shoulder angle and the powder capacity to the base of the shoulder is the same as the 30-06?

If you check out the ballistics a 30-06 with a 150 gr bullet shoots really similar to a .270 with the same sized bullet.

Don't get me wrong, each round has their place, but I think its foolish to consider a .270 and .308, then not even look at the 30-06.
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