I agree with the responses so far. The .17HMR is super fun to shoot and I don't think I've shot one that wouldn't print 5 shots under 1in, cheap optics or whatnot. It's not as loud as a .22lr IMO, very faint, "crack" I have a few, some expensive, some super budget, all of em shoot exteremy well. I use mine for Jack-rabbits, crows and such, have killed a coyote or two, but they were perfect target presentations where I was able to send that little 17 right into their ear at 100 or so. For every coyote I've dropped with a 17 I've passed up 5 cause the shot wasn't good enough. Not that much room for error with such a light projectile.