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Coyote rifle

Postby T-MAN » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:04 pm

Ive been contemplating between a few rifles. My longest shots will have to be around 500 yards or so. I dont hand load so ill have to be using factory ammo. Basically its between the 22-250, 243, and the 243 wssm., although i have read some bad reviews about the 243 wssm. Im worried about the light 22-250 bullets drifting in any wind, and the 243 not reaching that far. Sorry for the long post, and thanks for the help

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Postby T-MAN » Fri Dec 21, 2007 3:06 pm

oh yah, and i wanted it to be more of a fur gun, with a rather samll exit wound, or none.
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Postby NV Guide » Sat Dec 22, 2007 8:22 am

For a fur gun use the 22-250 with 40gr v-max. Just dont hit them on the fringes. Excellet coyote gun. Dad made his living on furs in the late 70's and early 80's, so I've seen a lot of coyotes shot with this gun. If the long shots are what you want use any of the 6mm cartridges and the 70gr nosler Ballistic Tip. You will be amazed.
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Postby pennsyltucky » Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:56 am

its the 22-250 that wouldnt reach that far of those 2. the 243 will take yotes alot farther than 500 yards, with authority.

any gun you pick for 500 yard shots will anniliate furs at closer ranges. a 55gr from a 243 is sweet justice for yotes out to 500-600 yards, but will leave a big entrance or exit or both at most any range.

the 40gr from the 22-250 is about the same only a bit smaller... its a firecracker and if it hits a bone, it explodes.

a big gun with a very solid, non expanding bullet is about as close to a fur save as you can get at that range. terminal power is low tho. ull have to go find them.

the 243 with 55gr blitzkings or b-tips at about 4000fps is about as good a coyote gun as there is, but you will have a pretty big mess about 1/2 -3/4 of the time
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Postby T-MAN » Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:03 pm

thanks pennsyltucky,

I think im going to go with the 243. Do you think that the exit wound is sewable?
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Postby pennsyltucky » Tue Jan 01, 2008 2:26 pm

if you use a tougher bullet and load light you wont have any trouble sewing it unless you get him right in the shoulder point or the hip. a chest hit will usually just pop thru.

a 55gr at a slower speed like 3400fps wont hurt em near as bad either... you are bound to have a few explosions tho :yes:

theres a site called www.longrangehunting.com where you might find a bit more infor on shooting far out there..
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Postby jjohnson_714 » Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:32 pm

i did a neck shot with my .243, and it left a decent hole, but it was definately salvagable. also have you thought about .223 ?
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Postby T-MAN » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:24 pm

I have thought about the 223, but right now im actually considering the 204. The 223 is slower than the 204 and will blow around a little bit if theirs wind. I have thought about it and i guess ill just have to work on my calling and sacrafice that extra couple hundred yards so i can save fur.
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Postby skybuster20ga » Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:47 pm

i have a blast w/ my 221 rem. fireball bolt handgun
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Postby T-MAN » Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:06 pm

do they make factory ammo for the 221 or do you hand load?
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Postby skybuster20ga » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:20 pm

yea. here i get sme once in a while but its rare. i handload everything i have.
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Postby yellowlab » Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:13 pm

i would look deep into the 204

more killing power at 500 yds than a 22-250

flat shoot with better blastics than everything out there
and a better b/c than .22 cal bullets i think it is right up there with the .243 cals

all of that and can still be used on close range dogs
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Postby Sagebrush » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:01 pm

204 34gr at 4025fps 200yd energy 572 500 yd energy 147

22-250 50gr at 3800fps 200@ 1005 500@ 459 ft/lbs of energy.

on a calm day the 204 is great. Try it in a 20 mph wind and you will
see why a lot of hunters go for a heavier bullet of 50 to 60 grs.
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Postby yellowlab » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:51 pm

wow i have no idea where you got those numbers as they are way off all the b/c charts i have ever looked at or can find now

and what person would shoot a 34 grain bullet at yotes even the people that shot them with 22lr are shooting 36 grain bullets. currently the only 34 grain bullets being made are midways dogtown bullets which are no more than an economy and not recommended for yotes to begin with

look at numbers when shooting 39 grain sierra or 50 grain bergers (what most would shot yotes with out of a .204)

as for shooting in wind b/c plays the factor

cal ~ grain ~ b/c

20 ~ 32 ~ .221 -sierra
20 ~ 39 ~ .287 -sierra
20 ~ 40 ~ .275 -remington
20 ~ 50 ~ .295 -berger

22 ~ 40 ~ .160 -berger
22 ~ 50 ~ .183 -barnes
22 ~ 50 ~ .242 -remington
22 ~ 50 ~ .242 -hornady
22 ~ 55 ~ .220 -berger
22 ~ 55 ~ .267 -nosler
22 ~ 55 ~ .271 -sierra
22 ~ 60 ~ .246 -sierra (hp)

all above are the companies top of the line varmint bullet no match bullets were included because they are not a game bullets because they often act like a fmj and have unreliable expansion as they are made to shot paper not game

of the companies looked at 60 grain was the largest varmint/hunting bullet offered and it was not even a blitzking from sierra

a higher b/c will move less in wind meaning less wind drift side to side in cross winds
according to five major bullets companies the smaller 20 cal bullets will actually drift less side to side in wind

as far as ft/lbs show me a ballistics chart with a 20 cal 39 grain sierra having less ft/lbs than a 22 cal 50 grain bullet (@ 500 yds) might be able to with a match .22 bullet i guess but as aformentioned match bullets are not for game use.
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:20 pm

That data comes straight from Hornady.........

Winchester had the 34gr @ 4025fps and a BC of .167 for the 204
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Postby yellowlab » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:30 am

a very cheap bulk ammo. you can not put econ bullets up aginst quailty match ammo. i do think that that is by far the worse bullets on the market now when comparing it to other data i have posted. i am sure all rounds have markets loads that are well below par.

that would be like me saying:
winchester 45 grain hp bullets b/c .175 ~ m/v 4000 ~ ft/lbs @ 500yd 212
sierra 39 grain bullets b/c .287 ~ m/v 4050 ~ ft/lbs @ 500 yd 457

why would you try to twist data on a forum made to help people. a member asking for help wants data that is comparable as they are about to make a large investment

facts: normal/match grade hunting 20 cal bullets have better b/c than the normal/match grade hunting 22 cal bullets therefore will drift less in winds

the 204 and 22-250 ft/lbs are roughly equivalent at 500 yds making the 204 just a capable of a long-range varmint gun as the 250. it could also be argued that it is a better as it drifts less in wind and is a more fur friendly round for those of us hunting for fur. before i hunted yotes for fur i shot .243 which without loading your own ammo (I did not at the time) is not a fur friendly round.
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Postby T-MAN » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:11 pm

thanks for all the info yellowlab
i apprechiate it
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Postby waterfowlhunter » Sun Jan 13, 2008 9:18 am

yellowlab wrote:i would look deep into the 204

more killing power at 500 yds than a 22-250

flat shoot with better blastics than everything out there
and a better b/c than .22 cal bullets i think it is right up there with the .243 cals

all of that and can still be used on close range dogs


I do not know where you got your 204 ruger info but it is not correct.

204 ruger 32gr @ 500yds = 1767fps & 222ft-lbs
22-250 55gr @ 500yds = 1946fps & 462ft-lbs
223 rem 55gr @ 500yds = 1657fps & 335ft-lbs

And in all loads and info I have found the 223 and 22-250 hits harder at all distances than the 204. and wind drift is MUCH less with the 55gr bullet compared to the 32gr.

I use a RRA Varmint AR-15 or a 300WSM with 110gr V-max. I do not save fur so the 300 is a lot of fun and they do not run. the ar-15 is a sub MOA rifle and it great if you have multiple targets to eliminate.
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