223 VS 22-250 for coyote

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223 VS 22-250 for coyote

Postby swack'em and stack'em25 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 1:45 pm

i am want to get a rifle for coyote and maybe fox it is a toss up between the .223 and the 22-250 i the shot i will be taking will be out to 300 yards at the most but most shot will be takin at 150 and less which one would you choose.

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Postby Sagebrush » Mon Jan 07, 2008 1:26 pm

Both 22 cal. will work.....

Just pay attention to the barrel twist in the rifleing !!

1-15 is the standard for 55grain or less bullets. ( 3,800fps +/- )

All the heavy,long 60 to 85 grain bullets need a 1-10" twist to stabilize these bullets, used in the 500 yard plus shots for Match use. ( 3,000fps +/- )

FMJ are used if you want the pelts, other wise the others will do.

Maybe a 10x scope also.......?

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Postby Cobra » Mon Jan 07, 2008 2:45 pm

:dito: 223 factory ammo is cheaper with more bullet choices, but either will do nicely.
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Postby yellowlab » Tue Jan 08, 2008 1:22 am

http://www.duckhuntingchat.com/viewtopic.php?t=51541

some info ^^^

between those two i would pick a 22-250 or ar15 in .223

if i was looking for a rifle to shoot yotes with and them being hte only or biggest game i would pick a .204 everytime. much more hide friendly and you would ever have to hold over anything if only shooting 300 yds put it on and shoot.

i use a .223 ar15 but if i am shooting long range or a bolt i shoot my .204

and yes i have shot all and killed yotes with all three cals.
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Postby Sagebrush » Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:22 pm

Note:
Another thing about varmit hunting is the wind................
I call 20 mph a wind, which can make hits harder at long ranges.

A factory 34gr @4000+ fps
at 300 yards it will drift 18" and at 500 yards drift is 36".

A factory 50gr @ 3800 fps
at 300 yards it will drift 10" and at 500 yards drift is 19"

If you are lucky enough to be able to shoot bullets over 65 grains
you will notice that windy days are not a big problem.
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Postby yellowlab » Fri Jan 11, 2008 12:54 pm

posted this same post in another post but hits on most of the same topics:

wow i have no idea where you got those numbers as they are way off all the b/c charts i have ever looked at or can find now

and what person would shoot a 34 grain bullet at yotes even the people that shot them with 22lr are shooting 36 grain bullets. currently the only 34 grain bullets being made are midways dogtown bullets which are no more than an economy and not recommended for yotes to begin with

look at numbers when shooting 39 grain sierra or 50 grain bergers (what most would shot yotes with out of a .204)

as for shooting in wind b/c plays the factor

cal ~ grain ~ b/c

20 ~ 32 ~ .221 -sierra
20 ~ 39 ~ .287 -sierra
20 ~ 40 ~ .275 -remington
20 ~ 50 ~ .295 -berger

22 ~ 40 ~ .160 -berger
22 ~ 50 ~ .183 -barnes
22 ~ 50 ~ .242 -remington
22 ~ 50 ~ .242 -hornady
22 ~ 55 ~ .220 -berger
22 ~ 55 ~ .267 -nosler
22 ~ 55 ~ .271 -sierra
22 ~ 60 ~ .246 -sierra (hp)

all above are the companies top of the line varmint bullet no match bullets were included because they are not a game bullets because they often act like a fmj and have unreliable expansion as they are made to shot paper not game

of the companies looked at 60 grain was the largest varmint/hunting bullet offered and it was not even a blitzking from sierra

a higher b/c will move less in wind meaning less wind drift side to side in cross winds
according to five major bullets companies the smaller 20 cal bullets will actually drift less side to side in wind

as far as ft/lbs show me a ballistics chart with a 20 cal 39 grain sierra having a less ft/lbs than a 22 cal 50 grain bullet (@ 500 yds) might be able to with a match .22 bullet i guess but as aformentioned match bullets are not for game use.
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Postby Sagebrush » Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:21 pm

That data comes from Hornady.
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Postby yellowlab » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:33 am

you are useing a bullet with a b/c of what again?... put drift data back in with .287 @ 4050 and post the compared wind drift

you posted using a very cheap bulk ammo. you can not put econ bullets up aginst quailty match ammo. i do think that that is by far the worse bullets on the market now when comparing it to other data i have posted. i am sure all rounds have markets loads that are well below par.

that would be like me saying:
winchester 45 grain hp bullets b/c .175 ~ m/v 4000 ~ ft/lbs @ 500yd 212
sierra 39 grain bullets b/c .287 ~ m/v 4050 ~ ft/lbs @ 500 yd 457

why would you try to twist data on a forum made to help people. a member asking for help wants data that is comparable as they are about to make a large investment

facts: normal/match grade hunting 20 cal bullets have better b/c than the normal/match grade hunting 22 cal bullets therefore will drift less in winds

the 204 and 22-250 ft/lbs are roughly equivalent at 500 yds making the 204 just a capable of a long-range varmint gun as the 250. it could also be argued that it is a better as it drifts less in wind and is a more fur friendly round for those of us hunting for fur. before i hunted yotes for fur i shot .243 which without loading your own ammo (I did not at the time) is not a fur friendly round.
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Postby QUACK3XS » Sat Jan 12, 2008 11:54 am

I use a 22-250 for yotes here in Western NY. Never had a prob. with the gun. Model 700 BDL 10x scope. :thumbsup:
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Postby Sagebrush » Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:51 pm

Yellow;
There are a lot of people out there that don't reload and have to use the crappy factory loads.

Sure you can improve things if you reload, but if you can't, this
is what you are stuck with..................

Rem,Fed & Win are not going to put top notch bullets in a 204 or a 22-250 for just varmit hunting since they don't see it as "Big Game"
thats calls for premium bullets.
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Postby yellowlab » Sat Jan 12, 2008 1:27 pm

Federal has factory load with 39 grain blitzking on top as well as nosler ballistic tips

nosler also loads there own nosler ballistic tips

Hornady loads the v-max

remington loads there own accutip which are not top of the line but are far from sub par

winchester loads a ballistic sivlertip which is also far from a crappy factory load

just to name a few...

the 22-250 in many states is a legal deer rifle and used more than one would think. this is why there are such bullets as nosler partition and barnes triple shock both loaded in factory rounds.
this shows that it too is factory loaded with "top notch bullets"

and when i am shooting at say a parrie dog at however many hunderd yards that is 3 inches across i am going to want those same top notch bullets
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Postby Sagebrush » Sat Jan 12, 2008 4:34 pm

The 204 and the 22-250 maybe "roughly equivalent"
and both are great calibers.........
I am just stating per Hodgdons reloading data at the maximum fps

204: 32g @ 4047fps 40g @ 3774fps 50g @ 3352fps

22-250 n/a 40g @ 4224fps 50g @ 3945fps

The 22-250 can match the 204 bullet and add 10 grains to the bullet with the same velosity.
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