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Postby GCox25 » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:02 am

Hey all,

I'm pretty new to this forum and new to hunting, as well. A friend of mine has a rifle to sell and I would like your opinions on it. I think he is giving me a heck of a deal on a heck of a gun, but would like some more informed opinions before buying it.

Here are the details I know:
Winchester Model 70 .243
Synthetic Camo stock
Stainless barrel
Nikon 4 x 14 Scope

I have the serial number, but cannot seem to locate it in any of the databases that show that information. I'm pretty sure it is a relatively new gun and it has had very few rounds through it.

Let me know what you think and thanks in advance for your opinions.

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Postby bgoldhunter » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:56 pm

Is this an Ultimate Shadow M70? As with a lot of rifle models, there are many variations, and price changes accordingly. However, IMO, you can never go wrong with a Model 70, even the push feed models. Without knowing specifics, it is hard to give an estimated value of the gun..

The Nikon I assume is a Buckmaster scope, which is a good scope for the money.
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Postby GCox25 » Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:25 am

Thanks for the reply. Here's what I know about the gun. As I said, I am a newbie, so bear with me.

I think it is an M70 Super Sport Magnum. (WSSM .243) I am not sure about the Ultimate Shadow, but after reading about it online, I think it is that version.

The Nikon is a Buckmaster scope.

A ballpark estimate would be fine by me. I am sure my friend is not trying to pull one over on me, but would like to know others' thoughts on it before I buy it. I will be shooting mainly Whitetails and Coyotes with it.

I'm going this weekend to fire it for the first time and will let you know the results.

Thanks again.
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Postby bgoldhunter » Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:45 pm

It the gun looks like this one:

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90135208

Then it is an Ultimate Shadow, which is nice since they were once a top of the line model with CRF. Pay no attention to the buy it now price, as that is very unrealistic for this gun. NIB models are selling at a very discounted price on WSSM models (all calibers), as none of them are moving very well.

If one were to look a bit, a NIB model can be had for $400-500. Possibly a bit cheaper, although several guys are still trying to make money on them since the M70 boom since they closed the plant. This is a far cry from the $600-800 they were once selling for, but everything sold once the supply dried up (except the WSSMs, hence the heavily discounted prices).

A new Buckmaster 4.5-14 is around $270, with a few better deals here and there. One can find them used at around $225 with not much searching, and cheaper than that if you are willing to wait and look hard.

If it were me, I would probably figure since I could buy a new gun and used scope (and figuring new Leupold rings/mounts) for about $625-650 give or take, a used gun with used scope would probably be worth $500.

That's my .02 anyways...
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Postby GCox25 » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:25 am

BGoldhunter,

Thanks very much for your reply. Your opinion matches up perfectly in this situation and I am grateful to have heard it. Sounds like I got a good deal on a pretty good gun.

Thanks again.
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Postby bgoldhunter » Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:34 pm

Sounds great! I hope you enjoy it.

The Model 70 is a wonderful gun, and I like them very much. Hopefully you will like yours as much as I like mine!

If you ever need some help with it, let me know. I would suggest you bed the action and try to adjust the trigger if it has not already been done. I like light triggers, so a nice pull is manditory for me.

Newer triggers don't adjust as low as the older ones, it would seem. If you can't get it where you would like, a good smith may be able to get it there-or just have a good aftermarket one put in.

Here are some instructions if you are interested:
http://www.varminthunters.com/tech/win70trigger.html
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Postby GCox25 » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:05 am

I just wanted to follow up with you about my gun.

I took it out with a friend of mine last weekend and fired 7 shot with it at 100 yards. My friend says the trigger has already been adjusted, as you recommended.

Wow, I love it. All 7 of my shots were in the kill zone for sure and my buddy followed it up with a dead-on bullseye. He turned to me and said I think your gun is sighted in pretty well and I looked at the target through the scope and saw his bullseye.

Needless to say, for the price I paid, I am very pleased with the purchase and look forward to getting to hunt with it soon.

Thanks again for all your recommendations and opinions.
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Postby bgoldhunter » Fri Feb 01, 2008 12:19 am

Sounds like a shooter to me! What's not to like, you are shooting a fine gun :thumbsup:

I'll be looking for some pictures next season with a trophy taken with your new gun.
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