Best defensive handgun round

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Best defensive handgun round

.25 ACP
0
No votes
.380 ACP
1
5%
.38 spl/+
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No votes
9mm
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No votes
.40 cal
4
21%
.357 Mag
2
11%
.45 ACP
12
63%
 
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Best defensive handgun round

Postby fenton_3 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:13 pm

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Postby Just Ed » Tue Jan 13, 2009 1:40 pm

The best defensive handgun caliber is the best round that you can shoot through a gun that you are familiar with and most effective with during a stressful situation.

If you can't hit the broadside of a barn with a .45 but you're effective with a 9mm, then why would you use a .45 for home defense?

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Postby ajmorell » Tue Jan 13, 2009 2:42 pm

I guess it depends on what you are basing this on. I mean if you are talking shot for shot, which gun will do the most damage I don't know that there is much debating.
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Postby fenton_3 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:30 pm

This is a personal preferance question. Based on your expirence, abilities, and knowledge; which round do you think is the best.

Also as a bit of a social expirement please add you age and background if you feel comfortable. I am wondering if older more expirenced individuals choose the .45 and younger generations go with 9mm or .40 cal because that is what we grew up with.

I am 27, and feel the .40 cal is the best choice for me. I have no law enforcement or military expirence. I have been shooting for over 20 years, and along with hunting it is main main passion in life.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Tue Jan 13, 2009 3:40 pm

I'm 26 and if you would have asked me a couple of years ago I would have said .40, because I always thought 45's had too much recoil.

After shooting a 45 a few times and having no problems handling them at all, in fact I couldn't tell much difference between 45 and 40 on target loads.

45 is probably not the best concealed carry gun, but for a home defense gun its hard to beat. I think its awesome that you can shoot those slow loads and still have more knock down power than a high velocity round of a smaller caliber.

With all of that being said, in a defense situation, I would feel comfortable with a 40, 9mm, or 357, given the right rounds. I also like shotguns for home defense.
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Postby devildog28 » Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:40 pm

I'm going with the 45. It'll put an intruder on his b-hind without a thought of getting up. With a faster round the damage factor goes down at close range.
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Postby don taylor » Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:46 pm

Speer gold dots were designed to penetrate a windshield and not deflect as much. When you shoot through a windsheild , aim low. The bullet angles sharply up. Speer gold dots in my Kimber .45 are my primary and speer GD+P+ in my .38 are my back up.
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Postby waterfowlhunter » Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:12 am

HK USP Compact 45 is my primary carry gun full of Remington Golden Saber Bonded. My pocket gun is a S&W J frame 38 Spl +P loaded also with the Golden Saber.

My vote goes to the 45 ACP
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Postby Preacher1011 » Thu Jan 15, 2009 1:39 pm

I'm going .45. Although I do like a .40 as well. 9mm gets no dice from me, neither does .380. My uncle was a Marine and my dad was a police officer, so my philosophy is the same as theirs. If it doesn't start with a 4 don't touch it. The big thing is finding something you can shoot. Find a gun that fits you well then worry about concealing it. There is a way to conceal nearly any weapon. It's all about what you can shoot and what fits your hand. Personally I like a 1911 (in .45 of course), or a Sig or XD in .40.
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Postby Sagebrush » Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:12 pm

old days 38 with 158 Lhp +P
Then the 357 MAG with 125 Jhp at 1450mv.....king of the hill.
Then came along the 45 auto with lots of bullets !!

Now the force likes the 40 for most needs...................

but the 9mm has a few more shots in the magazine for fire power......................

Do you feel lucky ?
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Postby bgoldhunter » Fri Jan 16, 2009 11:50 am

Why no 10mm as a choice?

It would be between that or 45ACP...
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Postby ajmorell » Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:49 pm

Sagebrush wrote:old days 38 with 158 Lhp +P
Then the 357 MAG with 125 Jhp at 1450mv.....king of the hill.
Then came along the 45 auto with lots of bullets !!

Now the force likes the 40 for most needs...................

but the 9mm has a few more shots in the magazine for fire power......................

Do you feel lucky ?


9mm might have more shots, but I would rather have 6 shots that will stop 6 guys than 16 shots that might stop 1.
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Postby GroundSwatter » Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:45 pm

My xd 45 holds 13 rounds in the magazine and if you can't resolve whatever issue you're having in 13 rounds you are in some deep fecal matter.
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Postby waterfowlhunter » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:00 pm

ajmorell wrote:
Sagebrush wrote:the 9mm has a few more shots in the magazine for fire power.


9mm might have more shots, but I would rather have 6 shots that will stop 6 guys than 16 shots that might stop 1.


I have had bad experiences with a 9mm, I will not carry one for self defence as long as I have a 45. I do carry a pocket 38Spl +P which the 9mm has a velocity advantage over but Again, bad experiences with a 9mm lead me away from it.

bgoldhunter wrote:Why no 10mm as a choice?


The only problem with the 10mm (just like the 10ga IMO) there is no real advantage unless you reload for it (then it has potential). they are expensive to shoot and have no better FPE than a 45 +P. I loved the 10mm Glock I had (not a glock fan but wanted a 10mm) and reloaded some very hot loads for hunting with it. but it never really caught on after the 40S&W came into the picture so the factorys never really gave us any ammo that shows the 10mm's true potential. then I started loading 45 supers and gave up on the 10mm. I would carry a 10mm for self defence if I still had one.
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Postby ajmorell » Fri Jan 16, 2009 5:45 pm

waterfowlhunter wrote:I have had bad experiences with a 9mm, I will not carry one for self defence as long as I have a 45. I do carry a pocket 38Spl +P which the 9mm has a velocity advantage over but Again, bad experiences with a 9mm lead me away from it.


I personally have never had and bad experiences with a 9mm, but hearing that others have are the reason that I will not own one. I am not willing to risk the well-being or safety of myself or loved ones because the ammo is slightly cheaper and there is slightly less recoil. My next handgun will be a .45ACP or .40S&W
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Postby Preacher1011 » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:28 pm

What about the .357 Sig? That's a smoking round. I don't know the big deal with high cap mags. If you need more than 7 shots you're somewhere you don't need to be.
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Postby ajmorell » Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:13 pm

Preacher1011 wrote:What about the .357 Sig? That's a smoking round. I don't know the big deal with high cap mags. If you need more than 7 shots you're somewhere you don't need to be.


Already have a .357 :biggrin:

I did consider it, but it is slightly more costly to shoot and I not as readily available as the .40 S&W or .45ACP. I am leaning towards the Springfield XD subcompact in .40 S&W so that if I ever do decide to conceal it, it will be rather easy.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 1:34 am

I'd opt for the compact XD. Not too hard to conceal and you lose quite a bit of accuracy when you drop to a 3" barrel. I can't tell a size difference between the .40 and .45, so either or is good. A .40 would give you more options though since to switch to .357 Sig you just have to switch the barrel out. The Compact also costs about 100 bucks less than the sub compact.
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Postby ajmorell » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:33 am

Preacher1011 wrote:I'd opt for the compact XD. Not too hard to conceal and you lose quite a bit of accuracy when you drop to a 3" barrel. I can't tell a size difference between the .40 and .45, so either or is good. A .40 would give you more options though since to switch to .357 Sig you just have to switch the barrel out. The Compact also costs about 100 bucks less than the sub compact.



Sweet, thanks for the info. I guess the 4" barrel would probably be better the more I think about it. I don't plan on carrying the gun everywhere anyways, more like 'if I ever decided to' type of thing.
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Postby Preacher1011 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:37 pm

The compact is the service model with about a 1"shorter grip. It comes with two mags one for the short grip and one extended mag that makes the grip full size. If you want it full size all the time the service model is the way to go. My dad bought a .45 compact XD and likes it a lot.
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Postby ajmorell » Sat Jan 17, 2009 4:16 pm

Preacher1011 wrote:The compact is the service model with about a 1"shorter grip. It comes with two mags one for the short grip and one extended mag that makes the grip full size. If you want it full size all the time the service model is the way to go. My dad bought a .45 compact XD and likes it a lot.


Probably go with the compact simply because it does have the short grip option. I know the capacity diff. between the two is 3 rounds, but what's the length difference?
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Postby Preacher1011 » Sat Jan 17, 2009 10:06 pm

Barrel is the same, but the grip from top to bottom is about an inch shorter. Grip is the only difference.
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Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:48 am

aj;

I agree with you on shooting what you can handle.

as for the 9mm...........I had a 9mm Radom but back then the bullets sucked.

Now they have the Speer Gold Dot that meets the FBI and law
requirements, for the 9mm, .38 etc !!!

These are both in the same area for bullet energy but the .357
has a better record with the 125 for one shot stops.

The 10, 40 and 45 make a bigger hole with a bigger bullet and
also have 1 shot records, just a lot more recoil for people to handle
and learn to shot well for a 2nd follow up shot.

Even though the 357 is good, I did not say it is the way to go in a "Belly Gun". Much better in a 4" barrel or longer to cut down recoil and muzzle flash.

Did I mention NOISE !!
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Postby Sagebrush » Sun Jan 18, 2009 10:55 am

Anyone have any data on the new .327 load?

Any wet news paper, water jug or gel, bullet performances??

Reminds me of the 38 going to a 357.

Wounder what the 32 H&H souped up to this "Mag" can do.

I know penetration and exspansion will be much better, but
will it be enough ?

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Postby ajmorell » Sun Jan 18, 2009 11:40 am

Sagebrush wrote:aj;

I agree with you on shooting what you can handle.

as for the 9mm...........I had a 9mm Radom but back then the bullets sucked.

Now they have the Speer Gold Dot that meets the FBI and law
requirements, for the 9mm, .38 etc !!!

These are both in the same area for bullet energy but the .357
has a better record with the 125 for one shot stops.

The 10, 40 and 45 make a bigger hole with a bigger bullet and
also have 1 shot records, just a lot more recoil for people to handle
and learn to shot well for a 2nd follow up shot.

Even though the 357 is good, I did not say it is the way to go in a "Belly Gun". Much better in a 4" barrel or longer to cut down recoil and muzzle flash.

Did I mention NOISE !!


Sage, thanks for the info. With the right rounds I'm sure the 9mm would be effective. I think for personal protection the .357 is overkill personally, but for the time being it's all I have. I'm actually going to keep it loaded with .38+Ps for home defense as I can shoot all 6 more accurately and faster and there is significantly less muzzle flash. I will need to do some more reading before I buy my next gun I suppose, particularly with respect to the ballistic properties of the 9mm compared to the .40 & .45.
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