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Postby ajmorell » Sat Apr 04, 2009 6:35 pm

Looking at purchasing my first centerfire this summer, have it narrowed down to 4 calibers. The gun will primarily be used for MI whitetails and possibly black bear, but I can see it being used for hunts out west in the future (mulies, anelope, possibly elk, and I would like to be able to use it for varmints too if possible). Most likely a 4-12x or so will sit atop. I'm looking at Browning X-Bolts, A-Bolts, Tikka's, Savage's and Remington 700s. Whichever I get I will be reloading.

.270 Winchester - everything I have read says this is enough to take down an elk with the right bullet, ammo is pretty common (relatively speaking anyways), not sure about long range accuracy and capability to take down deer-sized game or larger at long distance (400 yards+)

.308 Winchester - also very common, enough to take down anything listed, endless bullet possibilities, decent at long range

30-06 Springfield - most common deer caliber out there, ammo available everywhere (you know what I mean), good at long range, lots of bullet options for reloader, but recoil is a bit stouter than .308 & .270

300 Win-mag - obviously most stout recoil and greatest ability to take down large game, but also probably the best at long range. Might be a bit overkill for varmints but again, lots of bullet choices for this caliber as well.
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Re: What caliber

Postby lameduck » Sat Apr 04, 2009 7:43 pm

I have a .270 and love it. It has more than enough power to take down a deer. It is also my go to gun for hogs, I usually line two up and have always been able to take them both down (unless it was my fault). My uncle has shot a few elk with his and said it worked great, but he always used ammunition that he reloaded which you said you would be doing. My buddy has a 300wsm and that thing blows away the deer, although it would be better for elk. Another caliber you should think about is the .270 wsm, although I am not sure about availability. I have connected on a few coyotes at about 400, and the .270 is very capable at that range. It would have more to do with wind and other variables considering the guns you listed.
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Re: What caliber

Postby Rather Be Hunting » Sat Apr 04, 2009 8:08 pm

the caliber i would go with is 30-06. have a weatherby vanguard in that caliber and love it. shooot 165gr. hornday sst factory ammo out of it a get 2/3" groups at 100 yds.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:14 pm

lameduck wrote:I have a .270 and love it. It has more than enough power to take down a deer. It is also my go to gun for hogs, I usually line two up and have always been able to take them both down (unless it was my fault). My uncle has shot a few elk with his and said it worked great, but he always used ammunition that he reloaded which you said you would be doing. My buddy has a 300wsm and that thing blows away the deer, although it would be better for elk. Another caliber you should think about is the .270 wsm, although I am not sure about availability. I have connected on a few coyotes at about 400, and the .270 is very capable at that range. It would have more to do with wind and other variables considering the guns you listed.


My reason for not considering WSM's (both 270 and 300) are the price. Brass is quite a bit more and factory ammo is like $10-$15/20 more.

I'm leaning towards the 30-06 as of right now, just wanted to hear some other opinions.
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Re: What caliber

Postby lameduck » Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:31 pm

I might be wrong, but you might want to check some ballistic tables because I think the 30 06 drops considerably between 200 and 300 yards then after 300 drops sharply to 400.
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Re: What caliber

Postby devildog28 » Sun Apr 05, 2009 1:07 am

A .270 to me is a necked down .30-06. If you're going to get the .270 you might as well get the .30-06 for the bigger bullet IMO. I'm partial to .308's myself because I want something that I can enjoy shooting at the range instead of cringing and will take down an elk. If you get the .30-06 I wouldn't get a syntheic stock unless you like pain :thumbsup:
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Re: What caliber

Postby Rather Be Hunting » Sun Apr 05, 2009 7:07 am

I might be wrong, but you might want to check some ballistic tables because I think the 30 06 drops considerably between 200 and 300 yards then after 300 drops sharply to 400.

drop happens with all ammo in any caliber. if you plan on doing much shooting past 200 yds, you much pratice at farther ranges and know how you gun preforms.
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Re: What caliber

Postby lameduck » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:20 am

Well I looked it up and it looks like the difference is only about 3" at 400. I may have been thinking of the 30-30, good luck with whatever you choose!
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:33 am

devildog28 wrote:A .270 to me is a necked down .30-06. If you're going to get the .270 you might as well get the .30-06 for the bigger bullet IMO. I'm partial to .308's myself because I want something that I can enjoy shooting at the range instead of cringing and will take down an elk. If you get the .30-06 I wouldn't get a syntheic stock unless you like pain :thumbsup:


This gun will have a walnut/wood stock. I don't care for synthetic stocks, the only exception being my duck gun.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Sun Apr 05, 2009 12:26 pm

What do you guys think of the 7mm-08? I posted this on another forum and quite a few people have recommended it. Based on what I've heard the .300 and .270 are out. It's really between the -06, .308 and 7mm-08 now but I'm considering the last two more than the -06. I don't think I could spend a day a the range with an -06, the other two I probably could. In terms of taking game at a distance, both the .308 and 7mm-08 should do fine out to 300 yards on deer.
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Re: What caliber

Postby devildog28 » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:00 pm

ajmorell wrote:What do you guys think of the 7mm-08? I posted this on another forum and quite a few people have recommended it. Based on what I've heard the .300 and .270 are out. It's really between the -06, .308 and 7mm-08 now but I'm considering the last two more than the -06. I don't think I could spend a day a the range with an -06, the other two I probably could. In terms of taking game at a distance, both the .308 and 7mm-08 should do fine out to 300 yards on deer.


They're pretty much the same round. If you look at both side by side they are almost identical. The 7mm is going to be a little flatter shooting.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:56 pm

devildog28 wrote:
ajmorell wrote:What do you guys think of the 7mm-08? I posted this on another forum and quite a few people have recommended it. Based on what I've heard the .300 and .270 are out. It's really between the -06, .308 and 7mm-08 now but I'm considering the last two more than the -06. I don't think I could spend a day a the range with an -06, the other two I probably could. In terms of taking game at a distance, both the .308 and 7mm-08 should do fine out to 300 yards on deer.


They're pretty much the same round. If you look at both side by side they are almost identical. The 7mm is going to be a little flatter shooting.



Yeah, was looking at the ballistics for both....really not much difference and there are a ton of bullet options available for both as well. Some other guys I talked to convinced me that you can't really have one gun for everything. Since this gun will see 99% of its use in MI for whitetails, coyotes and possibly bear I think both the 308 and 7mm-08 will handle as far of shot as you can get in MI. A trip out west probably won't happen for a few years yet, until I'm graduated at least, and by that time hopefully I will be able to afford another gun specifically for hunting out there.
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Re: What caliber

Postby vital_kill » Sun Apr 05, 2009 8:50 pm

Winchester 70 in 270 win, american classic!
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Re: What caliber

Postby Kurt » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:10 pm

.308 or 7mm-08 will handle anything out west except maybe a grizz. I would get either one of those put GOOD glass on it and shoot the crap out of it. Practice makes perfect.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Mon Apr 06, 2009 11:18 am

Kurt wrote:.308 or 7mm-08 will handle anything out west except maybe a grizz. I would get either one of those put GOOD glass on it and shoot the crap out of it. Practice makes perfect.


Leaning towards the 7mm-08 right now. It's a little flatter shooting and has just a touch less recoil. Since there are tons of bullet choices for both the 7mm and 308 reloading either makes perfect sense. As for glass, it won't be a Zeiss but I'll likely pony up the money for at least a VX-II or Bushnell Elite, probably a VX-III if I can afford it (remember I'm still in college :biggrin: )
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Re: What caliber

Postby Kurt » Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:23 pm

You could look for a used vx-3 leupy stands behind there stuff so if anything would go wrong they fix it no questions asked. I have heard good things about the bushnell 4200 dont know how much they are though.
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Re: What caliber

Postby Preacher1011 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:00 pm

If you forget your ammo for some odd reason you will find .30/06 ammo in any gun shop in America, 7mm-08 maybe not.
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Re: What caliber

Postby Rather Be Hunting » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:04 pm

swift premiere are also great scopes for under $200. have a 4x12 on my 30-06 and a 3x9 on my muzzleloader. both scopes have over a hundred rounds through them and have worked flawlessly.
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Re: What caliber

Postby REDGUN » Mon Apr 06, 2009 2:44 pm

ajmorell wrote: Since this gun will see 99% of its use in MI for whitetails, coyotes and possibly bear I think both the 308 and 7mm-08 will handle as far of shot as you can get in MI.


I believe you are right on track with this statement.

I would opt for the 308 if hunting in bear country though.
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Re: What caliber

Postby GroundSwatter » Mon Apr 06, 2009 5:03 pm

Partially based on what preach said, I would go with the 30-06 and the .308. 30-06, you can find ammo almost anywhere and its one of the most versatile rounds out there. To me the recoil isn't all that bad, but I guess recoil is in the shoulder of the shooter.

Between the 7mm-08 and .308 I would go with .308.
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Re: What caliber

Postby jrode237 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:43 pm

Are you a smaller framed shooter? My 30-.06 (Ruger Mk. II) doesn't kick much at all. I would say in all honesty that a 3 inch waterfowl or turkey load kicks about the same (from Mossberg 835 and SBEII) as the .06. Now you want recoil? Check out the "T-rex video on youtube.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:53 pm

jrode237 wrote:Are you a smaller framed shooter? My 30-.06 (Ruger Mk. II) doesn't kick much at all. I would say in all honesty that a 3 inch waterfowl or turkey load kicks about the same (from Mossberg 835 and SBEII) as the .06. Now you want recoil? Check out the "T-rex video on youtube.


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Re: What caliber

Postby jrode237 » Mon Apr 06, 2009 6:56 pm

Got a few pounds on ya but never really considered my .06 to have that bad of recoil. I'd much rather sight that in than my old mans .338 or my bro's .300. I also like the .o6 because of the vast range of bullets you can shoot from it. Found some Remington reduced recoil (managed recoil) rounds for coyotes and they don't kick hardly at all.
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Re: What caliber

Postby Preacher1011 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:12 am

My synthetic stock Remington 700 in '06 doesn't kick that bad to me either. To each his own though, but I'm definitely with jrode when he said 3" duck loads out of an 835 kick worse.
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Re: What caliber

Postby ajmorell » Tue Apr 07, 2009 10:03 pm

Leaning towards the .270 now. Wasn't really giving it much consideration before but I think I really underestimated it. If I can find one for a decent price I think I'm going to pick up a Remington CDL SF
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