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Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:06 pm

What is everybody's single favorite round for hogs and coyotes out to about 200 yards?
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby jrockncash » Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:41 pm

How big a hog you talking?
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Fri Apr 24, 2009 3:19 pm

We got some pushing 300 if not over, we havn't got the big ones just 175 lbs and under so far. I usually carry my 30-30 around the ranch with me just to throw around in the truck and it's easy to get in and out but now that we have been having more and bigger hogs move in I think it's about time to start carrying the 30/06 so I can reach out a little further and touch 'em.

I've been thinking about getting something like a .308 I'm just not real familliar with the knockdown power it has. I know it can shoot a little flatter than the 30/06, but how do you think it would stand up to a big 'ol freak nasty boar.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby jrockncash » Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:04 pm

Buy yerself a box of Hornady Leverevolutions for that 30-30 and dont look back. Its a tough bullet and shoots dang flat. A big slow 30-06 or .308 wont be much better than the 30-30.(Edit: 200 fps is a difference but still not that much) The number of options in those other two guns as far as bullets will be alot greater though. I think you can get 110 gr. varmint bullets.

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.308 Win. (180 PSP) 2620/2743 2393/2288 2178/1896 1974/1557
.30-06 Spfd. (180 PSP) 2700/2913 2469/2436 2250/2023 2042/1666

.30-30, 160 grain - 2400/2046 @ muzzle, 2150/1643 @ 100 yds, 1916/1304 @ 200 yds, 1699/1025 @ 300 yds.
.30-30, 160 grain - +3" @ 100 yds, +0.2" @ 200 yds, -12.1" @ 300 yds.

The .308 and the 06 have more energy but the 30-30 has plenty if you load it right. But if you want a new gun you cant go wrong with those two calibers.

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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:51 pm

I'll have to give those a try, I've looked at them before but every time I go to buy bullets I'm so used to getting the old winchester cheapos. I'm go pick some up for this weekend.

What about 12 gauge 3inch buckshot to for walking in a creekbottom, how close would I have to be and what size would you recomend I've never shot buckshot before so I have no clue how it would handle a hog.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby jrockncash » Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:45 pm

Ive rolled coyotes at 40 yards with #5 lead. When I cougar hunt my buddy packs a .280 and I pack buckshot. I would shoot it and see how far out you can keep it together. If you can get all 9 double 00 in a 8 in circle at 45-50 yards you should be able to kill it.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby cjg » Sat Apr 25, 2009 12:03 am

flightstopper wrote:I've been thinking about getting something like a .308 I'm just not real familliar with the knockdown power it has. I know it can shoot a little flatter than the 30/06,


You might want to check your ballistic tables on that one, I don't think the 30-06 gives away anything to the .308. Both are excellent rounds.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Kurt » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:04 am

I would pick .308 for no other reason than thats what i like and shoot. either way you will make it dead if you hit it right. The cal. i am most interested in right now is the .257 weatherby flat fast hits like a ton of bricks only draw back is ammo is expensive. What ever you buy go shoot it get good at shooting and you will have fun.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Sat Apr 25, 2009 1:30 pm

Yeah wetherby has some great rounds but they are way out of my price range. When it comes to rifles I like to keep it simple and like to use more common calibers so that I can pick up ammo wherever I go. I dont do a whole lot of rifle shooting anyways I like my scatter guns, just my personal preference
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby devildog28 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:40 pm

Kurt wrote:I would pick .308 for no other reason than thats what i like and shoot. either way you will make it dead if you hit it right. The cal. i am most interested in right now is the .257 weatherby flat fast hits like a ton of bricks only draw back is ammo is expensive. What ever you buy go shoot it get good at shooting and you will have fun.


Weatherby does make some super expensive round! I saw .340 weatherby for $90 bucks the other day!
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby don taylor » Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:33 pm

I recently saw a .30 caliber comparison. The flattest .300 to the .30-30 there is only 7.5 inches of drop difference between the group out to 300 yards. Its really just a personal choice.

To me, they are two different guns with different optics. If i had to choose one rifle it would be a .243 with see through mounts and iron sights.

I'm looking at a used Savage Styker in .223 . Using a high powered tack driver rifle took a lot of the sport out of hunting for me. I look for a challenge now. Pistols and pistol calibers aren't for everyone, but I use a .44 mag for deer.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Apr 27, 2009 9:23 pm

Since you use a 30/30.............

Have you tried the Reminton 55gr Accelerator at 3400 fps on the small game?

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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Mon Apr 27, 2009 11:39 pm

Yeah I have seen the accelerator rounds before when we got them in at the sporsmans I used to work at. They also come in 30/06 as well, I havn't personally tried them but everybody I have talked to say they won't ground for nothing about 3 inches is the tightest group I have heard from old co-workers that were rifle ballistic nuts. Cool idea though, those bullets are cruising!
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby REDGUN » Wed Apr 29, 2009 12:41 pm

You are already toting the 30-30, right? If you can hit a coyote at 200 yards with it, I would say keep using it.

If I was in the market for a new truck gun for this purpose, a short barreled 243, 260, or 7mm-08 would be my choice. :thumbsup:
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby flightstopper » Thu Apr 30, 2009 12:34 am

I do like shooting the 30-30 and is easy to get around because it is shorter. It definetly does the job I have taken some shots around 175 yards and my girlfriend dropped her first deer ever this last year with it at right over 150 yards. I was just thinking about adding another gun to the collection, like I really need one though.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Sagebrush » Fri May 01, 2009 4:00 pm

If you reload, maybe a 125 gr or 130gr boattail, pointed , poly-tip etc. bullet for the first round
would work ?

Just depends if that light of a bullet would group in your 30/30 ?
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Pumpgunner » Fri May 01, 2009 8:03 pm

I've shot some Accelerators from my .30/06, I can't get them to group under 10 or so inches at 100yd-probably not what you want for accuracy!
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby lameduck » Sat May 02, 2009 11:34 am

I think a .270 works well for both. I have shot a lot of coyotes with it and the bullet does not really expand very much so it does not ruin the coat. Although the bullet does not expand very much it drops them like a ton of bricks and gives you long range capabilities. The .270 gets some flack because it does not expand well in deer, which is true (at least from my accounts). In hogs the bullet passes through and puts a nice fist size hole out the other side. I have taken hogs from 25lbs to around 250-300 all with the .270 and that is what I would recommend. Regardless of what some might say you do not need a huge round to take a hog.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Sagebrush » Mon May 11, 2009 7:33 pm

Pumpgunner;

I have to agree with you............

I have never had a bullet less than 150 grains shoot well in my 94.
Thought I could get some light high vels but, not...............

Actually the 170 is the best of all bullets for energy and drop, for the old style bullets.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby waterfowlhunter » Wed May 13, 2009 4:01 pm

I load accelerators for my 300 WSM and have loaded them for 308 and 30-06, you have to play with the load a lot to get them right for your gun but it can be done. The isue is that a 30-06 and 300 are generally a 1 in 10" twist and a 308 is around 1 in 12" the 22cal 55gr bullets like a twist of around 1 in 9" or 1 in 8" better than the slower twist, the 40gr bullets are better in the 1 in 12" barrels which is why most 22-250 are rifled that way. and in my 300 WSM they are getting close to 4000fps and make a mess out of varmints.


I agree that the 30-30 will do anything you need it to do out to the 200 yds you mention with the new hornady ammo. but the 308 and 30-06 are still going to hit a bit harder and there are a lot more bullet choices for them. including the nosler and hornady varmint bullets in the 110gr and 125gr weights and then you can go up to 180's or even 220's if you choose to do so.

I have killed big dogs out to 60 yds with #2 lead with no problem at all. and would not hesitate to shoot a coyote at 75 with #2 or BB lead as long as it is a faster load, Mine are 1400fps 1-1/8 oz thru a full choke. I know guys that kill big hogs with their 1911's and 357 mags so OO Buck would do the job just fine if your gun will hold a pattern with it. mine actually shoot buckshot better with the IC choke installed,
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby yellowlab » Thu May 14, 2009 7:22 pm

if you are looking for something common and can be used on yotes and pigs and still be able to make small holes on paper the old time favs. 243 and 308 are hard to beat ... 243 has so much freedom even more if you hand load becuase of bullets offered today but the 308 is hard to beat for an all around gun and everyone should have one or two of them in the safe as well...

if you wanted to go alittle on the crazy side... 6.5 grindel chambered in an ar platform would be an wonderfull new toy that would work very well for what you are talking about and you gain the versitillity of having a black rifle.
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Re: Hog and Varmit round

Postby Sagebrush » Thu May 14, 2009 10:03 pm

The 6mm's and the 25 cals have always been a great light weight deer rifle for hunters of light build or that need reducded recoil.

the 257 Roberts is a fine example of a classic little round that has killed lots of deer, over the years.

As for the 270 not doing a job on deer....................it has to be from selecting the wrong size or type of bullet or improper shot place ment. I have yet to loose a deer with a 130 or 140 gr bullet as well as need a follow up bullet to finish the job, in my
50 years of hunting in Nevada. All were one shot kills, however I did kill a 310 pound Buck with a 150 gr Speer when I was first
reloading, that had to bleed out from a low heart shot at 30 yards. This bullet would work a lot better on Elk .
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