Small Carry Gun?

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Small Carry Gun?

Postby MissedAgain » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:12 pm

I'm opening a box here. What's everyone's favorite, or want to have?

Let's keep the gun palm sized and .380 or smaller. The Colt Mustang is an example for size.

I want to get one in the not too distant future. Liking the .32 since I can get the ammo - .380 is about extinct around here.

What should I look at?
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Preacher1011 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:03 am

Personally I hate anything smaller than a .40 cal so I'd recommend a Glock 27 or Springfield XD in the sub-compact size in .40. By the way, I don't like .380 because no police or military force on the planet carries anything smaller. It's the bare minimum, and I sure wouldn't go any smaller. Just my opinion though. If you really want a smaller gun get a Smith and Wesson 642 or the new Ruger LCR in .38.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby fenton_3 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:25 pm

Check out the Ruger LCP and the Kahr PM9
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby waterfowlhunter » Sun Jul 12, 2009 8:12 am

I personally would not trust my life to a 32 but everyone has their own choices. I had an NAA 32 and it would barely penetrate the target paper :yes: . My personal pocket gun is a S&W J Frame 38 +P which is the minimum cal I will carry. Most of the time I have a HK 45 USP Compact on my side.

I second the Kahr PM9 or even a Robahr (spelling) but if you must have a 32 look at the seecamp they are a nice piece.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby MM » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:21 pm

Keltec PF-9 in summer and XD45 in fall / winter

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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby nyfalconer » Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:33 pm

For a small gun I usually carry a .380 Micro Desert Eagle or a S&W 642 +P.

If concealability is not a must, I go with a glock 23 or glock 30.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby ALMODUX » Tue Sep 15, 2009 1:34 pm

I'm with others, in that I hate to carry smaller than 9mm. On the other hand, I was impressed by Sig's new, revamped colt Mustang .380 I saw the other day. NICE! What seems to be a highly shootable (again), concealment .380...finally. :biggrin:
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Crazy_4_Quack » Sat Sep 19, 2009 5:45 pm

I really like the Millenium's, I know you can get them in the .45, .40, and 9mm. They're small, practical - reasonably priced!
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby MOwaterfowler » Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:07 pm

i like the new .327 or bersa .380

it's kinda hard since i dislike smalll guns for defence.

a compact 5.? x ? is supposed to be the new thing high velocity small bullet lot of penetration.

but also if going small i would get the .25 simply to not blast through a wall and hit the curious kids.

my regular carry will be a .40sw if i ever mess with the cc permit. mainly now i just practice with it. bullets travel about 10-15 feet after passing through 3/8 plywood hollowpoints, the fmj are un hindered by it. perfect for takeing out 1 or more zombies in it's path.

then i had to buy a 45 colt when i read up and saw the mag limit was 9+1 for hunting. so my dual purpose hog/sd gun became sd only.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Sagebrush » Mon Oct 19, 2009 10:15 pm

The 327 is between the 38 +p and 357mag in recoil and the 380 needs
the right ammo to cycle in autos.

Ruger 101 is a good gun but the ruger auto 380 is only 9ounces and is quite a load for a woman
to control with the hot Cor-Bon, the best load or the Rem 88gr that feeds great in most all 380's
but lacks the energy.

The 38 snub "Airlights" at 16 oz or less for none +P have about all the recoil a lady can handle
with out the sting or recoil for a good practice session, with the 135 Speer Gold Dots.

The legal rights thing has a lot of people just going to the pepper spray or "Bear Bombs" to keep
out of the courts or have to worry about legal problems, plus some people will not pull the triger on another person...............
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby ajmorell » Tue Oct 20, 2009 12:01 pm

If I had to have a small caliber in the range you listed it would be the 327 magnum. Of the choices I think it is the only one that would have the greatest chance to stop the threat in one shot.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby jph_125 » Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:27 pm

I carry a xd 40 compact. My next gun purchase will be a kel tec pf 9.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Sagebrush » Wed Oct 28, 2009 12:58 pm

Most data shows tha a 2" snubby .38 special needs at least the 158LSWCHP +P at 890fps minimum or the
Reminton at 950fps for a 78% , one shot stopping average.

the 125gr JHP at 1050fps is almost as good...................

The FBI and other angencys also ask for at least 12" of penetration from a bullet, to meet their specs.

However this is for a "On Duty" gun and not a carry for self defense, gun.

Never found any "Minimum" data for most carry guns........................but would think that at least
190 ft/lbs of energy would have to be needed, with some sort of bullet that would penetrat at least 6"
in case a heavy jacket was worn or the bad guy weighed 380 poulds !!
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby J J Mac » Mon Dec 07, 2009 7:10 pm

After looking at many guns I decided that I like these for carry guns

380 Ruger LCP in pocket holster

38 Special Ruger LCR in pocket holster

40 S&W Springfield XD Subcompact in belt holster (a little large but a nice gun)
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby xtrema2shooter » Tue Dec 08, 2009 11:17 am

If you simply MUST carry a small underpowered gun (IMO, anything less than a 45acp), the Rohrbaugh in 9mm is the way to go. It's not cheap, but the workmanship is second to none.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby devildog28 » Wed Dec 09, 2009 2:59 pm

I have an XD sub-compact and it's even smaller than the sub-compact glock, don't listen to the above poster saying it's large. Super accurate too!
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby lunatic » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:41 pm

If your looking for a small carry gun. Look at CZ 2075 Rami. It is a compact 9mm.

My conceal carry gun is a 1911 commander size .38Super 9 in the mag and 1 in the tube and two spare magazine.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Sagebrush » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:01 pm

One thing to rember that even a .22 is better than nothing.............just the fact of a gun in your hand
will stop most people from advancing and make them think about getting out of the area. The thought of
having bullets hitting your body will usually make people think twice if it is worth the problem.

22,25 and 32 cal guns have a 30 to 45% one shot stop rating, meaning that it normally takes 2 - 3 bullet hits to stop
an attacker while the 35 to 38 cal loads have a 69 to 78% rating, meaning 1 to 2 hits are needed to stop an attacker.

One note, the 22 or 22 mag are not listed as a self defence cartride , due to the bullets make up and as stated are the
last choice that a person should use to save them from harm, since there are better calibers out there and most gun
authorities say that the .380 is the minimum load that should be considered for self defence and even this gun in a
automatic pistol can jam with the wrong ammo.

Good luck and I hope you find a unit that will work, if the time ever comes.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby don taylor » Wed Dec 30, 2009 1:25 pm

The size of the caliber doesn't really matter if you can't shoot it effectively. I'd rather get a 45 to the arm or belly than a 22 to the forehead.

I've owned most of the older models mentioned. An airweight 38 sucks with +p loads. A micro 9 with a short stubby grip sucks too. It has to fit your hand 1st and be able to be controlled. Statistic schmistics. Those facts are obtained using best shot placement scenarios. If your ass is on the line, put one in the CPU or boiler room 1st and then worry about whether or not it was a big enough bullet.

I've shot at a leather riding jacket some biker said would stop a 25 acp. He sure was glad he took it off first after I shot it with my derringer. It punched right through it like butter at 10 yards.

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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby apexhunter » Wed Dec 30, 2009 3:30 pm

With the newer technology coming out of the ammo manufacturers these days the 380 and 38spl loads aren't your father's 380 or 38's. That said, there is definitely nothing wrong in carrying something with a little more substance. To me the 380 is the very smallest I would carry (I said "would" as I don't own anything smaller than a 40). But the 327 in a small wheelgun would definitely be a possibility should the need arise for me as it is ballistically superior to a 380 and I will not own a 9mm.

I have an XD-SC40 and a UCII in 45acp that I carry. These are small (not necessarily "pocket pistols" but easily conceled, light and damned accurate. If it weren't for these and I had to go smaller it would be to a 327 revolver.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Sagebrush » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:55 am

New .410 deringer out of Texas...................?

The Judge has 5 shots but is too big.

25 auto is the smallest that I would go for self defence, then throw the gun at them and turn and run !!
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Mallard_Warrior » Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:43 pm

I'm a fan of .40 cal. I carry the HK USP compact in .40SW. Purchased it back in April 99. My 357 ruger GP 100 w/4" barrel is too big for concealment for me.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby 44Guy » Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:06 pm

I carry the Ruger LCR revolver. It's a good concealed pistol! :thumbsup:
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby kjm1022 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 1:04 pm

Kel-tec .32ca p32
I guarantee if you hit someone between the eyes, they dont get up and ask what caliber it was.
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Re: Small Carry Gun?

Postby Sagebrush » Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:19 pm

I was looking at small cal enegys and bullets yesterday on the net and ran across a load that I fired many years ago and was surprised at the energy that this load had and was also very light on recoil.

It is the 32 H&H

This load can also be fired in a 327 mag revolver.................ala 38 vs 357 type thing.

This way one has LOTS of shells he/she can shoot through the gun.

Note: most gun experts state that the .380 is the minimum cal. one should use for self defence but that was before the
Fed .327 mag came out and Cor-Bon ammo was available, to greatly improve things.
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